On Jun 7, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

did you use a specific package to bind your keymapping?

I've implemented a new EventHandler hierarchy. With different policies that can be plugged to any morph and dictate how it responds to user interaction. I have to polish the framework a little before separating it from Gaucho, but so far i like how extendable and customizable it is for the GauchoMorphs. I'll have to look at the recent developments in the keybidings to see differences, similarities and maybe merging both.

How do you want to community to give you feedback (for your research papers :))?

Would be nice to send feedback * using the Gaucho mailing list (accesible also in the website) * here: http://groups.google.com/group/gauchoenvironment/web/gaucho-feedback (accesible also in the website) * or send comments to fernando.olivero@usi.ch * or to here when its related to Pharo Fernando

Stef On Jun 7, 2010, at 12:22 AM, Fernando olivero wrote:

...

Hi Pharo programmers!

We are happy to announce that Gaucho 1.0 is released.

Gaucho is a direct manipulation environment for software.

If you want to try it out go to http://gaucho.inf.usi.ch/ .

Gaucho1.0 works in Pharo1.0.

In the releases section you'll find the installation script , and a description of all the features of Gaucho1.0.

Any feedback you are willing to provide is welcomed! In the website you will find a bug issue tracker and the mailing list description. Or you can also send us an email for any other purpose, such as demo-request or inquiries about the Gaucho project.

Hope you enjoy using it as much as we do!

Fernando Olivero University Of Lugano

pd: Be ready for the next version, with many improvements and added features! Soon to come.

pd2: (Extract from the web page)

-------------------------------------------------- Version: 1.0

Features included in this version: • Direct manipulation of Classes, methods and packages • Easily perform rename refactorings of classes and methods • Draggable arrows for manipulating the inheritance relationships between classes • Creating and runing tests for all the classes in the system • Creating workspaces for taking snapshots of the current pampas • Smart searching for any object in the system • Keyboard shortcuts associated to the most important operations • Logging all the changes to the system • Saving/Loading developers and workspaces to the default local directory

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On Jun 7, 2010, at 8:12 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

Hi,

I suggest you put the screencasts on Vimeo as the quality is far better than YouTube. That's what I use for Pharocasts, IMHO it's really important that we can read the text.

Also note some people prefer to download the screencasts, can you put a link to original videos ?

I agree! Thanks for the comments! I will migrate the screencasts to vimeo ASAP, and put a download link also.

Gaucho looks great. Marketing is really important too :)

Cheers,

Laurent Laffont

http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

Thanks Laurent! Fernando

On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:24 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

2010/6/7 Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch>

On Jun 7, 2010, at 8:12 AM, laurent laffont wrote:

...

Hi,

I suggest you put the screencasts on Vimeo as the quality is far better than YouTube. That's what I use for Pharocasts, IMHO it's really important that we can read the text.

Also note some people prefer to download the screencasts, can you put a link to original videos ?

I agree! Thanks for the comments!

I will migrate the screencasts to vimeo ASAP, and put a download link also.

I can also put a video on Pharocasts if you want. You can give me some text so I can put subtitles.

Would be great! thanks! As soon as i have the new Vimeo screencasts i'll send you the links and subtitiles. Fernando

Laurent.

...

Gaucho looks great. Marketing is really important too :)

Cheers,

Laurent Laffont

http://pharocasts.blogspot.com/ http://magaloma.blogspot.com/

Thanks Laurent!

Fernando

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On Jun 7, 2010, at 8:54 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

Hi Fernando

Very cool. I want to try but run into several problems:

Thanks!

http://code.google.com/p/gauchoenvironment/issues/detail?id=1

I've did not plan it to work on PharoCore, only on Pharo1.0. Good point! i've added several dependencies to the ConfigurationOfGaucho. FIXED. now it works on Pharo1.0 and PharoCore1.0.

http://code.google.com/p/gauchoenvironment/issues/detail?id=2

I've added untested last minute changes to the GauchoFileLoader, sorry for that. FIXED.

It would be cool if you could provide a ready-made image, or even a one-click download.

Ok! will prepare a stripped Pharo1.0 image and put a download link in the web site.

Lukas

Thanks Lukas for the remarks and bug reports! Fernando

2010/6/7 Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch>:

...

Hi Pharo programmers! We are happy to announce that Gaucho 1.0 is released. Gaucho is a direct manipulation environment for software. If you want to try it out go to http://gaucho.inf.usi.ch/ . Gaucho1.0 works in Pharo1.0. In the releases section you'll find the installation script , and a description of all the features of Gaucho1.0. Any feedback you are willing to provide is welcomed! In the website you will find a bug issue tracker and the mailing list description. Or you can also send us an email for any other purpose, such as demo-request or inquiries about the Gaucho project.

Hope you enjoy using it as much as we do! Fernando Olivero University Of Lugano

pd: Be ready for the next version, with many improvements and added features! Soon to come. pd2: (Extract from the web page) -------------------------------------------------- Version: 1.0 Features included in this version:

Direct manipulation of Classes, methods and packages Easily perform rename refactorings of classes and methods Draggable arrows for manipulating the inheritance relationships between classes Creating and runing tests for all the classes in the system Creating workspaces for taking snapshots of the current pampas Smart searching for any object in the system Keyboard shortcuts associated to the most important operations Logging all the changes to the system Saving/Loading developers and workspaces to the default local directory

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Hi Fernando, Very nice job. Cheers, Doru On 7 Jun 2010, at 08:54, Lukas Renggli wrote:

Hi Fernando

Very cool. I want to try but run into several problems:

http://code.google.com/p/gauchoenvironment/issues/detail?id=1 http://code.google.com/p/gauchoenvironment/issues/detail?id=2

It would be cool if you could provide a ready-made image, or even a one-click download.

Lukas

2010/6/7 Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch>:

...

Hi Pharo programmers! We are happy to announce that Gaucho 1.0 is released. Gaucho is a direct manipulation environment for software. If you want to try it out go to http://gaucho.inf.usi.ch/ . Gaucho1.0 works in Pharo1.0. In the releases section you'll find the installation script , and a description of all the features of Gaucho1.0. Any feedback you are willing to provide is welcomed! In the website you will find a bug issue tracker and the mailing list description. Or you can also send us an email for any other purpose, such as demo-request or inquiries about the Gaucho project.

Hope you enjoy using it as much as we do! Fernando Olivero University Of Lugano

pd: Be ready for the next version, with many improvements and added features! Soon to come. pd2: (Extract from the web page) -------------------------------------------------- Version: 1.0 Features included in this version:

Direct manipulation of Classes, methods and packages Easily perform rename refactorings of classes and methods Draggable arrows for manipulating the inheritance relationships between classes Creating and runing tests for all the classes in the system Creating workspaces for taking snapshots of the current pampas Smart searching for any object in the system Keyboard shortcuts associated to the most important operations Logging all the changes to the system Saving/Loading developers and workspaces to the default local directory

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On 7 juin 2010, at 14:44, Fernando olivero wrote:

Hi simon, thanks for the comments!

On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Simon Denier wrote:

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Is it possible to import/develop existing packages/classes into Gaucho? That would be a cool way to go beyond BankAccount for people who want to try it on larger scale :)

Yes! using the search widget you can import packages, classes and methods present in the image. For external you need to still use Gofer or Monticello outside Gaucho.

Ah good, I missed that first because I tried to import a wrong class ;) Who did the nice icons? -- Simon

Le 08/06/2010 09:21, Fernando olivero a écrit :

Hi Simon, the icons are the Oxygen family of icons from the GNOME project.

I've made a icons framework importer , which loads an icon set into Pharo and creates a class for each icon set. The idea is to have polymorphic classes of icons sets: For example

IconsFamilyBuilder>>build | specs secs | specs := self iconsSpecs . specs do:[:each| each resourcesFolderName: self resourcesFolderName ]. ^ GMIconFamily createFamilyNamed: self iconFamilyName specs: specs .

Which has subclasses such as OxygenIconsBuilder, that creates GMIconFamilyOxygen. The code is similar to that found in MenuIcons, but i've added the notion of icons sets.

I would like to integrate it to Pharo1.1, so we should unify the MenuIcons and maybe the UIThemes methods found in the icons category, so we provide only one entry point for icons in the system, together with a simple importer and provider of icons.

Let me know what you think.

Hi Fernando, It seems cool. Maybe open an issue with a package for your icon framework so that people can test and write feedbacks. Cheers Alain

Fernando

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Who did the nice icons?

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On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch> wrote: Hi Simon, the icons are the Oxygen family of icons from the GNOME project.

I've made a icons framework importer , which loads an icon set into Pharo and creates a class for each icon set. The idea is to have polymorphic classes of icons sets: For example

IconsFamilyBuilder>>build | specs secs | specs := self iconsSpecs . specs do:[:each| each resourcesFolderName: self resourcesFolderName ]. ^ GMIconFamily createFamilyNamed: self iconFamilyName specs: specs .

Which has subclasses such as OxygenIconsBuilder, that creates GMIconFamilyOxygen. The code is similar to that found in MenuIcons, but i've added the notion of icons sets.

I would like to integrate it to Pharo1.1, so we should unify the MenuIcons and maybe the UIThemes methods found in the icons category, so we provide only one entry point for icons in the system, together with a simple importer and provider of icons.

Please don't. We need to freeze Pharo1.1. We are near to the release and only bug fixes should be integrated.

But of course, this is more than welcome in Pharo 1.2 ;)

OK, i agree. I'll follow Alain guidelines for including the icons framework into Pharo1.2.

Let me know what you think.

Fernando

...

Who did the nice icons?

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good work!! it looks interesting. have you looked at codebubbles for some ideas? http://www.cs.brown.edu/people/acb/codebubbles_site.htm I have a question about this: "They visually represent system components such as packages, classes, methods, developers, and workspaces." can you visually represent instances too? 2010/6/7 Fernando olivero <oliverof@lu.unisi.ch>

Hi simon, thanks for the comments!

On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Simon Denier wrote:

Hi Fernando

Already lots of good stuff in your app. It looks *very* good and it feels quite good. I especially like the toolbar and the icons, as well as the shape toolbar which appears when overing over a shape (the "appear" effect is too long though).

Oh, i'll change this!

For this first release i've introduced a long delay in the fadein animation, because for novice users the menu-toolbar will be used, but once you learn the keyboard shortcuts to most common operations you don't need it anymore. Also the menu-toolbar intention is to present what operations are available on the focused shape.

In the next version a Control panel will be available to modify the behavior of widgets, icons, toolbars and the sytem.

Is it possible to import/develop existing packages/classes into Gaucho? That would be a cool way to go beyond BankAccount for people who want to try it on larger scale :)

Yes! using the search widget you can import packages, classes and methods present in the image. For external you need to still use Gofer or Monticello outside Gaucho.

This is how i actually code Gaucho within Gaucho.

For the usage of the search widget Look at the screencast named Searching and workspaces ( http://gaucho.inf.usi.ch ).

Sequence of actions:

cmd-t: for opening the toolbar navigate to the search button press enter. type the name of the package, class or method. For importing a package "family", ( for example Gaucho-Core, Gaucho-Morphic, etc...) type Gacho*. the widget auto completes entries, and is smart enough to filter accordingly. (it is still a litte slow, so dont type fast please). press enter when the desired match is found. the imported shape is highlighted in the pampas.

Thanks for the feedback, Fernando

On 7 juin 2010, at 00:22, Fernando olivero wrote:

Hi Pharo programmers!

We are happy to announce that Gaucho 1.0 is released.

Gaucho is a direct manipulation environment for software.

If you want to try it out go to http://gaucho.inf.usi.ch/ .

Gaucho1.0 works in Pharo1.0.

In the releases section you'll find the installation script , and a description of all the features of Gaucho1.0.

Any feedback you are willing to provide is welcomed! In the website you will find a bug issue tracker and the mailing list description. Or you can also send us an email for any other purpose, such as demo-request or inquiries about the Gaucho project.

Hope you enjoy using it as much as we do!

Fernando Olivero University Of Lugano

pd: Be ready for the next version, with many improvements and added features! Soon to come.

pd2: (Extract from the web page)

-------------------------------------------------- *Version: 1.0* * * *Features included in this version:*

- *Direct manipulation of Classes, methods and packages* - *Easily perform rename refactorings of classes and methods* - *Draggable arrows for manipulating the inheritance relationships between classes* - *Creating and runing tests for all the classes in the system* - *Creating workspaces for taking snapshots of the current pampas* - *Smart searching for any object in the system* - *Keyboard shortcuts associated to the most important operations* - *Logging all the changes to the system* - *Saving/Loading developers and workspaces to the default local directory*

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OK two other things 1) (minor) I find myself repeatdly trying to extend a Shape size to display more instance variables and methods by looking for the resize handle in the bottom right corner 2) when I want to edit a method, the shape takes the full screen and I can't see any other data. Why can't I edit the method in-place Also, I find it quickly annoying when I have to place manually each shape created. It would be better if shapes tend to stick to their parent shape when created, and I can move them freely after (I think that one point where codebubbles is good). I actually have more ideas about that, but it's tedious to explain by plain mail. On 7 juin 2010, at 14:44, Fernando olivero wrote:

Hi simon, thanks for the comments!

On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Simon Denier wrote:

...

Hi Fernando

Already lots of good stuff in your app. It looks *very* good and it feels quite good. I especially like the toolbar and the icons, as well as the shape toolbar which appears when overing over a shape (the "appear" effect is too long though).

Oh, i'll change this!

For this first release i've introduced a long delay in the fadein animation, because for novice users the menu-toolbar will be used, but once you learn the keyboard shortcuts to most common operations you don't need it anymore. Also the menu-toolbar intention is to present what operations are available on the focused shape.

In the next version a Control panel will be available to modify the behavior of widgets, icons, toolbars and the sytem.

...

Is it possible to import/develop existing packages/classes into Gaucho? That would be a cool way to go beyond BankAccount for people who want to try it on larger scale :)

Yes! using the search widget you can import packages, classes and methods present in the image. For external you need to still use Gofer or Monticello outside Gaucho.

This is how i actually code Gaucho within Gaucho.

For the usage of the search widget Look at the screencast named Searching and workspaces ( http://gaucho.inf.usi.ch ).

Sequence of actions:

cmd-t: for opening the toolbar navigate to the search button press enter. type the name of the package, class or method. For importing a package "family", ( for example Gaucho-Core, Gaucho-Morphic, etc...) type Gacho*. the widget auto completes entries, and is smart enough to filter accordingly. (it is still a litte slow, so dont type fast please). press enter when the desired match is found. the imported shape is highlighted in the pampas.

Thanks for the feedback, Fernando

...

On 7 juin 2010, at 00:22, Fernando olivero wrote:

...

Hi Pharo programmers!

We are happy to announce that Gaucho 1.0 is released.

Gaucho is a direct manipulation environment for software.

If you want to try it out go to http://gaucho.inf.usi.ch/ .

Gaucho1.0 works in Pharo1.0.

In the releases section you'll find the installation script , and a description of all the features of Gaucho1.0.

Any feedback you are willing to provide is welcomed! In the website you will find a bug issue tracker and the mailing list description. Or you can also send us an email for any other purpose, such as demo-request or inquiries about the Gaucho project.

Hope you enjoy using it as much as we do!

Fernando Olivero University Of Lugano

pd: Be ready for the next version, with many improvements and added features! Soon to come.

pd2: (Extract from the web page)

-------------------------------------------------- Version: 1.0

Features included in this version: Direct manipulation of Classes, methods and packages Easily perform rename refactorings of classes and methods Draggable arrows for manipulating the inheritance relationships between classes Creating and runing tests for all the classes in the system Creating workspaces for taking snapshots of the current pampas Smart searching for any object in the system Keyboard shortcuts associated to the most important operations Logging all the changes to the system Saving/Loading developers and workspaces to the default local directory

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On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Fernando olivero wrote:

Hi Simon,

On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Simon Denier wrote:

...

OK two other things

1) (minor) I find myself repeatdly trying to extend a Shape size to display more instance variables and methods by looking for the resize handle in the bottom right corner

Fernando if you listen what simon is telling you is that he does not want to see the code in larger font. he said that on his 30 inches screen he would like to see more method names at once. Now looking at what your hand is doing is interesting: simon hand wanted to have a large number of methods so he tried to grab the corner. In terms of UI assessment, one guru said that we can debug 50% of the problems by asking people to speak aloud when they try an interface. So this is a cheap but really effective way of making progress.

We wanted to provide a concise and compact view of the shapes, due to the restrictions that the current Morphic is pixel based and not scalable, to take the most of the real estate of a pampas. Possibly once i migrate to a scalable and vectorized UI framework ( Morphic3 ?), resizing would be considered.

You have a far easier solution if you want to let people work better.

2) when I want to edit a method, the shape takes the full screen and I can't see any other data. Why can't I edit the method in-place

...

This was a decision i took, based on the fact that this lets you focus on writing that method only, similar to what Ommwriter proposes. http://www.ommwriter.com/

Bad bad bad idea. You never want to have a look at other code while programming. For me this will be the reason 1 for not using gaucho. Smalltalk is already bad because you have to open another browser but gaucho is a jail since you cannot even look at something else.

The idea is to provide a Control panel where the developer can customize the system in the next version.

...

Also, I find it quickly annoying when I have to place manually each shape created. It would be better if shapes tend to stick to their parent shape when created, and I can move them freely after (I think that one point where codebubbles is good).

This is also something for the next release, i also think that code bubbles has a good automatic layout strategy, and would like to provide something similar, or even better.

...

I actually have more ideas about that, but it's tedious to explain by plain mail.

I would love to hear them! I think this next ESUG would be an excellent place to meet and discuss.

if you want to run a real user experience feedback I can be a guinea pig you can ask me to do some tasks and tape me. Stef

Thanks for the feedback !

Fernando

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On Jun 8, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Fernando olivero wrote:

...

Hi Simon,

On Jun 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Simon Denier wrote:

...

OK two other things

1) (minor) I find myself repeatdly trying to extend a Shape size to display more instance variables and methods by looking for the resize handle in the bottom right corner

Fernando if you listen what simon is telling you is that he does not want to see the code in larger font. he said that on his 30 inches screen he would like to see more method names at once. Now looking at what your hand is doing is interesting: simon hand wanted to have a large number of methods so he tried to grab the corner.

In terms of UI assessment, one guru said that we can debug 50% of the problems by asking people to speak aloud when they try an interface. So this is a cheap but really effective way of making progress.

...

We wanted to provide a concise and compact view of the shapes, due to the restrictions that the current Morphic is pixel based and not scalable, to take the most of the real estate of a pampas. Possibly once i migrate to a scalable and vectorized UI framework ( Morphic3 ?), resizing would be considered.

You have a far easier solution if you want to let people work better.

Stef, i was not speaking of font resize, we used the scroller widget to reveal hidden attributes or methods, and not shape resizing, providing a compact view of the shapes for the reasons above expressed. Every shape is has a fixed dimension of 340p x 400px, because we wanted to avoid getting rid of real state quickly and not being able to attack this problem with the current Morphic. Even though i agree that the hand behaves differently, and this in direct conflict with the habits of Pharo users, there is no "resize" handle of visual cue in the bottom corner of the shapes ( at least for now , till the Morphic dependency is dropped).

...

2) when I want to edit a method, the shape takes the full screen and I can't see any other data. Why can't I edit the method in-place

...

This was a decision i took, based on the fact that this lets you focus on writing that method only, similar to what Ommwriter proposes. http://www.ommwriter.com/

Bad bad bad idea. You never want to have a look at other code while programming. For me this will be the reason 1 for not using gaucho. Smalltalk is already bad because you have to open another browser but gaucho is a jail since you cannot even look at something else.

Thats why we needed to release it! To get good feed back like this one! You are right, occluding other methods shapes behind the Code editor view is to restricting. I'll modify this behavior ASAP.

....

if you want to run a real user experience feedback I can be a guinea pig you can ask me to do some tasks and tape me.

Stef

Thanks Stef! I'll set up an experiment and will take your offer! Fernando