In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows packages and groups in the same pane. Is this in general intended for the future or a bug? Also the Hierarchy button is layered above the "Groups" button. Is this just a layout problem or will the "Groups" button be obsolete anyway (see above)? Thx T.
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows packages and groups in the same pane. Is this in general intended for the future or a bug?
feature :)
Also the Hierarchy button is layered above the "Groups" button. Is this just a layout problem or will the "Groups" button be obsolete anyway (see above)?
is not on top, "groups" are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button). anyway if you do not feel confortable, feel free to propose any kind of enhancement... this changes were made following the ideas behind a screenshot Stef sent some weeks ago (I do not remember the topic exactly now, but you will find it searching the history).
Thx T.
I personally do not like this feature, but I have been told to get it a try :) Ben On 06 Nov 2013, at 12:51, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote: In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows packages and groups in the same pane. Is this in general intended for the future or a bug?
feature :)
Also the Hierarchy button is layered above the "Groups" button. Is this just a layout problem or will the "Groups" button be obsolete anyway (see above)?
is not on top, "groups" are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button).
anyway if you do not feel confortable, feel free to propose any kind of enhancement... this changes were made following the ideas behind a screenshot Stef sent some weeks ago (I do not remember the topic exactly now, but you will find it searching the history).
Thx T.
Give me the groups back. I hate that tree. Positively. On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Benjamin wrote:
I personally do not like this feature, but I have been told to get it a try :)
Ben
On 06 Nov 2013, at 12:51, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote: In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows packages and groups in the same pane. Is this in general intended for the future or a bug?
feature :)
Also the Hierarchy button is layered above the "Groups" button. Is this just a layout problem or will the "Groups" button be obsolete anyway (see above)?
is not on top, "groups" are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button).
anyway if you do not feel confortable, feel free to propose any kind of enhancement... this changes were made following the ideas behind a screenshot Stef sent some weeks ago (I do not remember the topic exactly now, but you will find it searching the history).
Thx T.
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On Nov 6, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Benjamin <Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
I personally do not like this feature, but I have been told to get it a try :)
thanks ben for letting us try :)
Ben
On 06 Nov 2013, at 12:51, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote: In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows packages and groups in the same pane. Is this in general intended for the future or a bug?
feature :)
Also the Hierarchy button is layered above the "Groups" button. Is this just a layout problem or will the "Groups" button be obsolete anyway (see above)?
is not on top, "groups" are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button).
anyway if you do not feel confortable, feel free to propose any kind of enhancement... this changes were made following the ideas behind a screenshot Stef sent some weeks ago (I do not remember the topic exactly now, but you will find it searching the history).
Thx T.
is not on top, "groups" are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button).  But thats what I mean - the "Groups" button is still there. Directly behind the "Hierarchy" button (but visible by a few pixels on the left).
Just have a look (see attachement). Use the morphic halos to move the button morph and you will see him. Is this a "easter egg" or is your "group" cleanup not yet finished? Thx T.
if it is there, someone re-added it (because I removed it). anyway, just to be clear: 1) the three is not going to go... is there to stay. We can (and should) improve it, but we are not going to remove it. 2) what we can do is to re-add the "groups" button and a preference to join or not-join groups in the three panel. So, sorry for the hate, but you better deal with it :) On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
is not on top, "groups" are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button).
But thats what I mean - the "Groups" button is still there. Directly behind the "Hierarchy" button (but visible by a few pixels on the left).
Just have a look (see attachement). Use the morphic halos to move the button morph and you will see him.
Is this a "easter egg" or is your "group" cleanup not yet finished?
Thx T.
Esteban wrote:
if it is there, someone re-added it (because I removed it).Â
In newest Pharo3.0 Latest update: #30549 there is AbstractNautilusUI>>buildFirstColumn: PackageTreeNautilusUI>>buildFirstColumn: both add the "Group" button and both have your name in the method version. All the other methods for it like #buildGroupsButton, #groupsButtonState, ... are there as well. Dont know where you mean it was removed. However, when one removes the "PackageTreeNautilusUI>>buildFirstColumn:" method the buttons are shown as before, but the Group button has no effect when clicking. Can you have a look again please? Thx T.
I think e should remove NautilusUI since itâs now useless and not working and merge it with the TreeNautilusThingy. Itâs quite disturbing to have something there almost working but nope :( And we should iterate a lot over it since a lot of usability has been lost in there⦠For me, it was to soon for a release Ben On 06 Nov 2013, at 16:56, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
if it is there, someone re-added it (because I removed it). anyway, just to be clear:
1) the three is not going to go... is there to stay. We can (and should) improve it, but we are not going to remove it. 2) what we can do is to re-add the "groups" button and a preference to join or not-join groups in the three panel.
So, sorry for the hate, but you better deal with it :)
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:
is not on top, "groups" are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button).
But thats what I mean - the "Groups" button is still there. Directly behind the "Hierarchy" button (but visible by a few pixels on the left).
Just have a look (see attachement). Use the morphic halos to move the button morph and you will see him.
Is this a "easter egg" or is your "group" cleanup not yet finished?
Thx T.
On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Benjamin <Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think e should remove NautilusUI since itâs now useless and not working and merge it with the TreeNautilusThingy.
Itâs quite disturbing to have something there almost working but nope :(
And we should iterate a lot over it since a lot of usability has been lost in there⦠For me, it was to soon for a release
agreed I like the idea that esteban pushed but I would have preferred to got him one week more working on it. Stef
On Nov 8, 2013, at 10:00 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
On Nov 6, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Benjamin <Benjamin.VanRyseghem.Pharo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think e should remove NautilusUI since itâs now useless and not working and merge it with the TreeNautilusThingy.
Itâs quite disturbing to have something there almost working but nope :(
that's the next step. I developed PackageTree Nautilus using Nautilus, so I was trying to keep it working the longest I can.
And we should iterate a lot over it since a lot of usability has been lost in there⦠For me, it was to soon for a release
agreed I like the idea that esteban pushed but I would have preferred to got him one week more working on it.
well, but the idea was, since this is still alpha and I was going in vacations, to push it and let people who know better morphic than me to contribute... I think that is a fastest path than just wait (because also... I have an infinite TODO to tackle, like everybody else :) Esteban
Stef
On Nov 6, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote:
if it is there, someone re-added it (because I removed it). anyway, just to be clear:
1) the three is not going to go... is there to stay. We can (and should) improve it, but we are not going to remove it.
+ 1
2) what we can do is to re-add the "groups" button and a preference to join or not-join groups in the three panel.
So, sorry for the hate, but you better deal with it :)
We should see because groups on top can be ok. What I really want is to see the packages that got loaded because right now I have no way to see them when I just have an alphabetical list and I often do not know all the packages that got loaded. So this is not just by preference or fantaisy that I want that it is to lower my pain level. Stef
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