Le 17 oct. 2014 04:02, "mikefilonov" <mikefilonov@gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi Phil,

I would really happy to know if this works for you.

Considering this use case in mind do you have an idea how PharoNOS should handle the Image? Should it be embedded in ISO or should it be configured from clean Pharo

on

each device?

For instance, if it is really useful we can have a server which would re-build the ISO with a requested image.

What do you think on this?

I would have an ssh enabled box and updare things with ansible so that I could update at ton of devices at once. Phil

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Yes, I tried in VirtualBox. Same issues here: used OSProcess to query for the DHCP given IP address and noticed that AioPlugin is not available. I like that it is a naked Pharo 3.0 image. So I would not preload the command shell - one can easily provide a config in the config browser for additional things or load an own config via script/network. So one could adopt to its own needs with a simple additional loading (like switching to themes, logo, ...). And yes: keyboard layout switching is required. Really nice! Can the ISO image building get automated so we can have a CI script that builds an ISO for Pharo 3.0, current 4.0 and others ...   Thx T.  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2014 um 22:07 Uhr Von: "phil@highoctane.be" <phil@highoctane.be> An: "Pharo Development List" <pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoNOS Downloaded the iso and started a VM.   Works well.   What would be nice:   - a PharoVM with AioPlugin so that CommandShell works nicer. - a preloaded CommandShell - a way to configure the keyboard to another layout   and... a Dark/DawnTheme and a wicked cool logo for the background!   Configurations are loading without trouble.   Congratulations on that sweet idea and materialization.   Phil  On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de> wrote:Hi, I just found http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/mikefilonov/pharonos[http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/mikefilonov/pharonos] Mike: can you comment a little bit on it here on the pharo lists? Thx T.  

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 06:52:48PM -0700, mikefilonov wrote:

I'll take a look at AioPlugin issue. How I can test if it is loaded well?

With OSProcess installed, evaluate "AioEventHandler aioPluginPresent" Dave

Guess this was couple of years back.. TCL + Pharo on a Virtual Box: My play with it then.. https://plus.google.com/photos/101656219013170129431/albums/5717749739476813... On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:52 AM, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar@gmail.com> wrote:

Lovely... TCL + Pharo .. !

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 7:17 AM, mikefilonov <mikefilonov@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Torsten,

Yes sure I can. So this PharoNOS is basically TinyCore Linux with pure X server and Pharo running in fullscreen.

I have made some auto-installation scripts which configure the disk so no setup wizard is needed. All space available is mounted under /mnt/universe/ so you may use that folder to store stuff. Everything else is stored in memory. Nice side effect of this is an ease of update as you may just replace the ISO and you'll get the new version of everything (except of the image of course).

Image is chosen on start by reading the "/mnt/universe/image" file. You may upload other image and change this file so after reboot it will start with a new one. No safeguards here though - if it breaks there is no cure for it yet :( I'm thinking over on how to implement some recovery on "Image not available or broken". Hm, just now get the idea to run Image chooser if default image failed. Is it available on linux?

Jan Tomsa has pointed out that the disk setup is quite dangerous (https://twitter.com/DetektivTomy/status/522860736155238401) I plan to update it later today with more safe solution which will not erase all the data. The idea is to format the disk without a partition table or to work from RAM. Also I think Pharo should be run under root user so you can bind to any port.

I can also put more 3d-party libs like sqlite3, so we can have some interesting apps for the terminals run on embedded Pharo :) However I need some feedback on what is needed.

So that is it, all comments are welcome.

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Hi Mike,

Yes sure I can. So this PharoNOS is basically TinyCore Linux with pure X server and Pharo running in fullscreen.

Yes I already found out.

I have made some auto-installation scripts which configure the disk so no setup wizard is needed. All space available is mounted under /mnt/universe/ so you may use that folder to store stuff. Everything else is stored in memory. Nice side effect of this is an ease of update as you may just replace the ISO and you'll get the new version of everything (except of the image of course).

Mmmhh ... maybe it should initially boot a downsized "Image selector" image (that allows to download images from CI like Pharo Launcher). Something similar to the usual Linux install wizards to initially setup a machine, configure keyboard layout, clock/timezone, IP/DHCP ... but done in Smalltalk. OSProcess commands could be used underneath to configure the underlying Linux. If this "PharoNOS GraphicalInstall" supports downloading premade image(s) from CI similar to PharoLauncher one could easily configure the machine with for instance with a premade Seaside, Bootstrap, Moose, ... image. This image could also be the fallback to repair, ...

Image is chosen on start by reading the "/mnt/universe/image" file. You may upload other image and change this file so after reboot it will start with a new one.

This info should be included in the docu in the pillarhub article (if not already)

Jan Tomsa has pointed out that the disk setup is quite dangerous (https://twitter.com/DetektivTomy/status/522860736155238401) I plan to update it later today with more safe solution which will not erase all the data.

Nice

Also I think Pharo should be run under root user so you can bind to any port.

Yes, I have the following quick setup scenario in mind: downlod the ISO, start a virtual computer with it (in virtualization software or on a cloud server). Use the Pharo based setup wizard (see above) to setup keyboard layout, give a fixed IP, adjust the clock, ... and download a premade Seaside (or other webframework image) from CI. Now run on port 80, configure another port and give a name to the machine in the network. This way one could easily setup virtualized network machines to provide network delivered applications.

I can also put more 3d-party libs like sqlite3, so we can have some interesting apps for the terminals run on embedded Pharo :) However I need some feedback on what is needed.

sQLite3 would be cool, also unqlite. Both are small shared libs and embeddable. This way one could load the Native Boost bindings for either SQLite3 or PUnqlite and use an embedded RDBMS or a NoSQL Database and also load/use Glorp/Voyage or other to access it.

So that is it, all comments are welcome.

A specific small image demonstrating Pharo 3 or 4 lively in the web browser also comes up as an idea. Emulating and bootstrapping an x86 machine on top of JavaScript is possible these days. Look at http://copy.sh/v86/ to bootstrap a linux in your browser. I tried to run the ISO with it, but it hangs. I guess it is due to query for network (which is not available in browser). Maybe a special non-network image could be built. This way we could include a premade machine in the Pharo Project webpage so people can directly bootstrap and play with Pharo. Similar to SqueakJS (http://bertfreudenberg.github.io/SqueakJS/) but without having to port the Pharo VM to JS.

I'll take a look at AioPlugin issue. How I can test if it is loaded well?

I loaded OSProcess from the config browser and used (PipeableOSProcess command: 'pwd') output. While doing this the system lamented about the missing AioPlugin. Bye T.

so the advantage of using this is that is a slim down linux distro with Pharo included ? Why not just download a small linux distro and install Pharo ? On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:14 AM, mikefilonov <mikefilonov@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you Torsten. Great ideas :) I made a to-do list for this project not to forget anything https://trello.com/b/JXtcf2Ye/pharonos

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Yes, I have the following quick setup scenario in mind: downlod the ISO, start a virtual computer with it (in virtualization software or on a cloud server). Use the Pharo based setup wizard (see above) to setup keyboard layout, give a fixed IP, adjust the clock, ... and download a premade Seaside (or other webframework image) from CI. Now run on port 80, configure >another port and give a name to the machine in the network. This way one could easily setup virtualized network machines to provide network delivered applications.

Isn't it what Pharocloud is all about? ;)

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I see, I dont have experience with TinyCore linux, but I do have experience with puppy linux which I really liked and used several times on my older pcs. Interest concept , good work :) Actually puppy linux is similar to what you do, in the sense that it uses its own programming language , genie https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Genie?action=show&redirect=Genie On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM, mikefilonov <mikefilonov@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, the idea of PharoNOS is to have the Smalltalk-only environment with as little external stuff as possible.

Current PharoNOS implementation based on TinyCore Linux - the smallest Linux distro - in order to have the smallest possible system footprint.

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Why not just download a small linux distro and install Pharo ?

Well, basically this what PharoNOS is :)

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Hi Mike, tried to swap the image using the following procedure: 1. Run the following code to download latest Pharo 4.0 ZnClient new url: 'http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip'; downloadTo: '/mnt/universe/pharo-image/latest.zip'. ZipArchive extractAllIn: '/mnt/universe/pharo-image/latest.zip'. and extract to "/mnt/universe/pharo-image/" 2. Now I wanted to change /mnt/universe/image file name to point to the new image. Unfortunately I can not write or delete/recreate this file from Pharo's file browser. Can you provide the build script for the ISO also on GitHub? Thx T.

Here's the image: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzSsmZhqtUTeaURYRnA0eHgycXM/view?usp=sharin... 2014-10-17 11:47 GMT+02:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek@gmail.com>:

Hi,

do you plan to develop it as a plugin? When I played with TinyCore Linux and Pharo (using framebuffer), I directly applied required the plugins on the filesystem.

-- Pavel

2014-10-17 11:09 GMT+02:00 Torsten Bergmann <astares@gmx.de>:

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Hi Mike,

tried to swap the image using the following procedure:

1. Run the following code to download latest Pharo 4.0

ZnClient new url: 'http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip'; downloadTo: '/mnt/universe/pharo-image/latest.zip'. ZipArchive extractAllIn: '/mnt/universe/pharo-image/latest.zip'.

and extract to "/mnt/universe/pharo-image/"

2. Now I wanted to change /mnt/universe/image file name to point to the new image. Unfortunately I can not write or delete/recreate this file from Pharo's file browser.

Can you provide the build script for the ISO also on GitHub?

Thx T.

Isn't it what Pharocloud is all about? ;)

Partly because in enterprise environments you may want to run apps in intranet/own network only. Bye T.