Hmmm, I don't think that Fuel has to be related with Monticello.� They have different intentions :).

But having binary packaging is great! :)

What comes next is a way of organize the binary distributions :P.

Guille

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar@gmail.com> wrote:

On 24 September 2011 20:51, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On 24 September 2011 20:40, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 24 September 2011 20:01, Mariano Martinez Peck
>> >> <marianopeck@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Well...Martin and I have been working a little bit this week and here
>> >> > is
>> >> > a
>> >> > post explaining it:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/importing-and-exporting-packages-with-fuel/
>> >>
>> >> Cool!
>> >>
>> >> If I understand correctly, Fuel and Monticello (1; I don't know
>> >> anything about 2 other than noone seems to use it but it's much
>> >> better) accomplish two different things though: Fuel's a mechanism to
>> >> quickly load a bunch of stuff, while Monticello's much more
>> >> introspective: mainly, a bunch of definitions of things, with a
>> >> history pointing to previous versions of the package.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't see how Fuel could replace Monticello,
>> >
>> > No, Fuel won't replace Monticello at all. They are different things.
>>
>> Ah, OK. That means I misinterpreted "As you may imagine the idea is
>> that maybe in the future we can replace Monticello� mcz with Fuel
>> packages." You meant in the sense of an mcz being something you load
>> in your image, not somehow extending Fuel to a version control system
>> (which would ... not make sense :) ).
>>
>
> Exactly. Maybe the comment was not clear. What I mean is to change
> Monticello in the way that instead of serializing code into a mzc that
> contains the sources and the use the compiler, use Fuel to directly
> store/load the code in a binary way.
> Is that better explained?

I think it's just my careless reading. The rest of the article's quite
clear - "As you may know, Fuel is a plain object graph serializer. No
more than that." - and so on.

:)
�

I can't wait: a super fast package loader makes it cheap and easy to
build up images from recipes. Nice!

Yes, me too. Problem is that neither Martin or I know very much about Monticello. Even more, we prefer to focus in Fuel itself. We consider Fuel Package Loader as a proof of concept for a real project. Hopefully, someone can join and take care of it. Otherwise, we will try to make progres, but slowly :(


�

frank

>> >> then, except in the
>> >> sense of "here's a chunk of stuff you can load into your image" -
>> >> which makes me think that one could simply replace the snapshot.bin
>> >> with a snapshot.fuel (or simply put it in the same directory, for a
>> >> loss in space but a gain in compatibility) and you'd have a much
>> >> faster loading mcz, right?
>> >
>> > Exactly. With Monticello right now you have to compile the sources.st,
>> > which
>> > may be slow and even more you need the compiler. The idea is to
>> > experiment a
>> > way of using Monticello to directly store binary/already compiled code.
>> > This way, it may be faster for exporting/importing the code.
>> > So....in summary, we will try to experiment to replace only a small part
>> > of
>> > Monticello ;)
>>
>> Ah, excellent! I can't wait!
>>
>> >> frank
>> >>
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe
>> >> > <sven@beta9.be>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 23 Sep 2011, at 11:47, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Cool Martin. Now I could do it as well. I have exported the groups
>> >> >> > 'Core', 'Tests' and 'Zinc-Seaside'.
>> >> >> > Then I materialize it a clean image and all tests (1567) are
>> >> >> > green.
>> >> >> > And
>> >> >> > it only takes 7 seconds :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Great !
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I want to try this myself soon.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sven
>> >> >>
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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