On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:

On 06 Nov 2013, at 08:53, Max Leske <maxleske@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 06.11.2013, at 08:05, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
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>> On 05 Nov 2013, at 20:37, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Hi. From what I understand you removed the old Compiler but yet Opal does not support compiling. Also, #sourceCode was changed etc...
>>> That means that there is no way to see the decompiled string of a method?
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>> Yes.
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>>> Which means I cannot deploy and image without sources and then browse/debug/inspect/write pharoDebug.log �etc because we don't have even the decompile string???
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>> Exactly. But this is just temporary, .sources and .changes will go away in Pharo4 and there will be just a .pharo4 image file.
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> By �temporary� do you mean decompilation will come back?
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No, we will have a high-level representation of Methods that replace (from the standpoint of reflection) the incomplete bytecode representation,


OK. This is the key from my point of view. I have always seen methods like 2 things: 1) the runtime execution part of a method (you have bytecodes, you can evaluate it, etc etc) �2) the method as source code (which has the temps also and accepts all types of things regarding source code management).
So I am all in of having that high-level representation of methods, however, I am not sure if I would like to loose a representation of methods that just means runtime/bytecodes.�



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>>> Serializing compiled methods is not fun either since we cannot decompile it after...
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>> You can embedd the source into the method before serialising.
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> That means storing redundant information though (if the user is only interested in functionality) and that will increase file size, and serialization/materalzation time. So it�s not an ideal situation.

The thing is that we can either not move or move step by step taking (sometimes) into account that things are sub-optimal for a little while.

You can envision the current implementation as a peak on a map: it�s a very good local optimum. But *Much* better is possible. Maybne a local metaphor: We are in the Gurten now, you can
not reach the Eiger without going down for a while.

� � � � Marcus



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