Hi All,

Smalltalkers do it with style.�� As a member of the it fan club I would like to send my support for all the its.�� Could be that I just got used to the syntax but there has never been any doubt as to what the methods do.�� The purpose of a language is to be clear and useful.�� I don���t find any fault in the clarity, or the ability to learn and remember its.

All the best,

Ron Teitelbaum

From: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Santiago Bragagnolo
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:24 AM
To: Pharo Development List
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] consideration of Smalltalk "DoIt"

I think that the difference is in every language. You do not just debug a c program executing it or compiling it for release, the same with c++ and java or python. I never debugged haskell, but when you execute something in the console you are even implicitly using print-it. instead of do it. Profiling is not different neither, is not that you there is all the time something profiling your applications. 

I think that real difference is that is not usual to find a language that let you execute what ever you want almost everywhere, because the meaning of what execution is, is slightly different.  Then, in other languages it just do not makes sense. 

You may want to change the menu to be different when you have something selected, i feel it will be more bureau, but it can be cool to try a prototype.

2014-07-15 22:50 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com>:

2014-07-15 17:30 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice@gmail.com>:

> 2014-07-15 20:27 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com>:
>
>> I find the "... it" suffix obsolete. "Delete it", "Do it", "Print it",
>> etc.
>>
>> Maybe it made sense in the past, but today it feels weird.
>> There is no "Cut it", "Paste it", etc... nor similar in other software.
>> IMO, if the menu is contextual, the context already applies the "it"
>> (subject).

> Did you notice "it" is only mentionned when you will evaluate (do it / print
> it / debug it / ... )?
> Otherwise, if it's just text editing there is no it.
> So there is a sort of logic. IMO that makes sense, because evaluating is a
> special action.

I did notice.

And I believe the "print-it", "do-it" and similar are there because of
historical reasons I don't know, but were carried over without
questioning it, maybe since ST-80 . :)

Why make a distinction between copying text and
evaluating/profiling/debugging it? I only saw this in Smalltalk.

Esteban A. Maringolo