On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 9:28 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:

Le 7/6/16 �� 12:00, Andrei Chis a ��crit��:

Hi Peter,

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Peter Uhnak <i.uhnak@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Privacy>>sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData should be ternary, not binary.

Because right now if I refuse sending the data I will be asked again every single time.

Indeed right now, at least in Spotter, the notification is shown every time it is opened in��

a new image, even if the setting was explicitly set. It was done like this as a reminder,

especially if you have the setting set to true.

Andrei for the shortcut reporter we put a number of show. Like that the user will be reminder a number
of times and the system will get calm. May be you could do the same

In a new image the message to send usage data is shown only once.
Indeed we could add a counter but that would have to maintain state between images.

This should also include an API for third-party apps to correctly ask the question.

For example Roassal just checks the value and if it's not true it will ask again��

RTRoassalExample>>open

| pager |

self checkSendingData.

...

RTRoassalExample>>checkSendingData | result | Privacy sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData ifTrue: [ ^ self ]. result := UIManager default questionWithoutCancel: 'Please, do you want to let us know how you use the Roassal example browser? ' title: 'Send Us Usage Data'. result ifNil: [ ^ self ]. result ifTrue: [ Privacy sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData: true ]

With an approach like this a counter wouldn't help.

So maybe a new method is warrented�� something like

RTRoassalExample>>checkSendingData | result | Privacy askForDiagnosticsAndUsageData: 'Custom Message' for: #Roassal.

Privacy sendDiagnosticsAndUsageData ifTrue: [ self enableWhatever ]

And `askForDiagnosticsAndUsageData:` would open the popup if the counter hasn't been hit and do nothing otherwise.

It's also a question whether it shouldn't be per-app, because maybe you want logging enabled for an app X, but not Y; but that's extra complexity.

Peter

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So the proper behavior (imho) should be:

ask Privacy for the setting�� if the setting is not defined, then show a popup.
If the setting is defined then respect it and do not show another popup.

The current behaviour with showing the notification in Spotter and Nautilus should be a temporary one.

Ideally we just need a single uniform way of showing this notification plus the option to control

and see the data that each tool wants to record at a fined-grained level.

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Also it would be nice to know what happens with the data.

We store it on a server and use it for various analyses.

what can you tell us on processor use in Spotter.

Not right at this moment. I'm way to busy with other urgent things.
Some older results were discussed here:��http://scg.unibe.ch/scgbib?query=Kube15a&display=abstract
Just for these result to carry more value we still need more people to send data.
Right now few do.

Cheers,
Andrei
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It is also publicly available: GTEventTool default download.

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I mean my projects are open source so "sendSourceCode" shouldn't be an issue�� but what you can possibly learn from it?
Why not just analyze the content of SmalltalkHub/GitHub?

Because if you have the setting enabled it does not always work to map different actions that with the code that you are working on.

Cheers,

Andrei

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Peter