I'd say that Phratch is another kind of beast.

As it has deeper abilities to go down the system, the pragmas blocks things etc.

In that, this can be usable by engineers and not kids. I am seeing Phratch as "Scratch for grown ups".

From I saw from the code and plugins etc, there has indeed been a ton of cleanups.

One very cool place where we would see it are in fablabs. 

e.g. Close to where I live  - http://makilab.org (this thing is getting its wings ready) - and where I'll introduce Phratch at one point.

Jannik, you have given us a powertool. Let's use it as such!

Phil

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:

I think that Jannik started to clean to code long before tim and he is not payed for that
so at least we should respect that and do not start to blame him about redundancy.

And cleaning Scratch is really a MUST because it is full of *&%^&%.
To the point that the people from Scat dropped the maintenance because it was a NIGHTMARE.

So can we respect the work of people?

Stef

On 21/5/14 18:11, Chris Muller wrote:

One reason might be that Phratch is kind of redundant isn't it?
Smalltalk already has a foothold on the Pi in the form of Squeak, and
Tim Rowledge is being paid by that organization right now to improve
Scratch.  So if you're interested in helping kids learn programming
with Scratch, why not check with Tim see if you can find a way help
with what he's doing..?

On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Alexandre Bergel
<alexandre.bergel@me.com> wrote:

Hi!

My point was the following: why Phratch is not included in the default setting of Rasbian?

Alexandre
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On May 20, 2014, at 9:36 AM, jannik laval <jannik.laval@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Probably he does not know phratch for Rasberry-Pi: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Phratch/job/Phratch-OneClick-RPi/

Cheers :)


2014-05-20 15:32 GMT+02:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel@me.com>:
Hi!

A friend of mine recently bought a Raspberry pi and installed Rasbian, a Debian-like OS for Raspberry. Squeak and Scratch are installed per default. There is room to fill here...

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Cheers,
Alexandre
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