yes this lead to endless debate, but I think this is good because we see diffirent ways into looking into things. I have to admit till today I never expected that someone would be against confirm dialogs to such extend of wanting them to be removed completely, but I can see now that for people that dont make mistakes or they rather live with these mistakes would prefer a non confirmation approach. Its good to discuss these things because next time I will try to "fix" something I will try to do it in a way that pleases most people and not interrupting their workflow. ��

And its endless because people prefer diffirent things, and thats ok. Opinions should be expressed and be respected. Opinions matter to make software better . Afterall software is made to please people by doing the things they want . No software of course is perfect. :)��

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I completely respect Igor's opinion. And Igor its great you have worked on these things and thank you :) You should promote your work I think progress should be more carefully logged so we can all appreciate the work that goes inside pharo :)��

On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:

On 09 Jan 2014, at 12:37, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9 January 2014 12:13, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:

On 9 January 2014 11:27, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:

On 09 Jan 2014, at 11:11, kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:

I was the one that worked on CMD+L dialog. I posted my slice here and it was discussed. I tried to implement undo, but trying to understand undo was a pain in the ass.��

I reviewed it and you are not to blame: A key combination that *loses code* is not acceptable, and as we discussed in the past, this

change was needed and good.

Yes, and i agreed on that.

My only complaint is that instead of making things work, we reversed it and made things even worse.

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The people who use the (undocumented!) cmd-L can easily get rid of the warning by implementing Undo.

how many modern editors document that pressing home key will move cursor to beginning of line? or pressing cmd-v will paste things from clipboard?

i do not think this is a good criteria to disable feature(s) only because they either not documented properly or that someone has no idea it exists.

yes, to be fair, the Cmd-L was not disabled, but *crippled* , enough that its usefulness become very low.

because before i knew that i can type any garbage in any editor window and undo all with single keystroke,

and now i have to be interrupted with yes/no popup.

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Can i ask, why consoles do not ask you are you sure you want to face consequences of you pressed ctrl-c?

Undo works for ctrl-c. Fo ctrl-l it does not.

(I really wonder why we have this dissuasion: It was already last time said that if the key combination removes

code *without a change to get it back* it needs to warn, if people do not like the warning they should

a) implement undo for ctrl-l

b) remove the warning.

Marcus