Just wondering if something similar can be done with Announcements?� I think the Omnibrowser folks recently started wiring everything together using Announcments...?<br><br>Not sure...just interested!<br><br>Take care,<br>
<br>Rob<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/6/20 Steve Wirts <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stevewirts@gmail.com">stevewirts@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I did a talk(attached) at OOPSLA several years ago to explain the benefits of ValueModels to java programmers, it was way over their heads.<br>It&#39;s unfortunate as today I&#39;ve yet to see anything in java that approaches the productivity they provide.<br>

<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/6/20 Schwab,Wilhelm K <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu" target="_blank">bschwab@anest.ufl.edu</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">





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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"><span>Steve,</span></font></div>
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<div><span><font size="2">Interesting that you mention 
value models.� I just ran into a use for a ValueHolder, and discovered that 
Dolphin&#39;s #value, #value: protocol was not present.� In fact 
ValueHolder&gt;&gt;value answers the receiver!� I added an override to my 
Dolphin compatibility package.� I exepect to add AspectValueAdapter and 
perhaps some converters as need arises.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="2"></font></span>�</div>
<div><span><font size="2">None of this takes away from 
Magritte; I share your interest in it and willingness to consider it as 
potentially powerful tool for GUI building.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font size="2"></font></span>�</div>
<div><span><font size="2">Bill</font></span></div>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font>�</div><font color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial"></font><br>
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<font size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> 
<a href="mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr" target="_blank">pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr</a> 
[mailto:<a href="mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr" target="_blank">pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve 
Wirts<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 19, 2009 8:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> 
<a href="mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr" target="_blank">Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Pharo-project] 
Making GUI&#39;S<br></font><br></div><div><div></div><div>
<div></div>Value Models, TypeConverter library, SubCanvas support(super powerful 
idea here), etc... some really wonderful idioms long lost in OO 
guis.<br>VisualWorks had some really nice frameworks that were discarded due to 
them being undervalued.<br>I hope to eventually re-introduce some of these fun 
frameworks into pharo given my time constraints and interest from potential 
users.<br><br>see<br><a href="http://c2.com/ppr/vmodels.html" target="_blank">http://c2.com/ppr/vmodels.html</a><br><br>Magritte 
seems like it might be a superior alternative to VisualWorks ValueModels;� 
I haven&#39;t explored it enough to really know yet.<br>Pharo is the most exciting 
thing to come along for me in quite awhile! <br><br><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 4:42 PM, St�phane Ducasse <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr" target="_blank">stephane.ducasse@inria.fr</a>&gt;</span> 
wrote:<br>
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  <div>&gt;<br>&gt; I don&#39;t know what I am waiting for -- except more 
  time -- because I<br>&gt; guess I should build such a thing. (Are there any 
  Pharo/squeak coders<br>&gt; available for part-time consulting over the next 
  year? ...At student<br>&gt; level pay I must add.)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I too want 
  a GUI builder.<br><br><br></div>me too :)<br>So may be we could have a kind of 
  bounty system for pharo.<br>Frankly we are rather full and we (the core) have 
  not that much time for<br>extensions but we would support any work in the 
  direction of<br>� � � �UIBuilder<br>� � � 
  �TestServer<br>� � � �Package....<br>� � 
  � �FileWrite-Rio kind of integration<br>� � � 
  �Better MC support (yes I should look at MC1.5)<br>� � � 
  �Better SUnit<br>� � � �Better tools (for example 
  like the newInspector)<br><br>Stef<br>
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