On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 8:51 AM, EuanM <euanmee@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Steph,

As a newcomer, here is my experience with my first bug-fix:

I wrote the fix in about 5 minutes.

It then took several weeks to get the big-fix accepted because of
issues with the repository and, separately, with bitrot in the list of
maintainers.

On 30 November 2015 at 16:52, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
> True help closing bug
> Build a great library
> Buidl a cool software
>
> Stef
>
> Le 30/11/15 04:44, EuanM a ��crit :
>
>> We also need to concentrate on building our community.
>>
>> We build a better platform faster if we have more people.
>>
>> We build a more valuable platform if we have a wider range of valuable
>> use cases to target.
>>
>> Unless and until we hit a critical mass of people joining our
>> community, we *need* to spend some of our focus on community-building.
>>
>> Part of great is being able to build things to sufficient completeness
>> *and* keep them in working order over the long haul.�� This is easier
>> with more contributors.
>>
>> On 27 November 2015 at 21:27, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Please stop this thread on this mailing list. We need to focus on
>>> building a great platform.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 10:05 PM, EuanM <euanmee@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> First of all - is this true?�� Where can we read about it?
>>>>
>>>> I cannot find anything about this at
>>>> https://www.oracle.com/search/press
>>>>
>>>> =======================================
>>>>
>>>> If Oracle did make this statement, then what people have said so far
>>>> is true.�� BUT...
>>>>
>>>> Java got about 40% of its initial momentum from IBM dumping VisualAge
>>>> and putting all their resources into Java.
>>>>
>>>> Oracle are targetting this move at IBM more than anyone else.
>>>>
>>>> IBM will start to think about how to migrate from Java - as Oracle are
>>>> telling them they will have to.�� (It's OUR bat and its OUR ball, and
>>>> no-one else can play with it.�� Not even the Java Community).�� And
>>>> IBM's coders do not pay for Java, Eclipse users do not pay for Java. I
>>>> expect the licence-fee income for JREs is small.
>>>>
>>>> Oracle are doing one of two things - announcing that Java is for sale
>>>> to device providers - phones (Google is the obvious buyer) or the
>>>> impending Internet of Things (which was what Java was designed for
>>>> originally) or announcing that no-one making an internet of things
>>>> offering should consider Java.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, things live on and on in a kind of zombie state.�� So yes, things
>>>> live on as long as their ecosystem does.�� And they gently wither and
>>>> their ecosystem withers is a long slow drawn out spiral.�� Which is why
>>>> we still have Cobol.
>>>>
>>>> People and organisations tend to move from one technology to another
>>>> in an incremental fashion.�� Swapping a little bit here, and a little
>>>> bit there.
>>>>
>>>> The new target platforms are ones which
>>>> 1) look like they have longevity, and
>>>> 2) have a migration pathway that provides incremental steps.
>>>>
>>>> Offering a compelling�� advantage is good - but only if the steps 1)
>>>> and 2) are catered to.
>>>>
>>>> IBM VisualAge Smalltalk is still robust, commercially available
>>>> software, and VisualStudio and Gemstone continue to represent
>>>> Smalltalk out to the big world of corporate development.
>>>>
>>>> So that's a start.
>>>>
>>>> Say only 5% of the Java world moves away from Java each year, as a
>>>> result of this announcement.
>>>>
>>>> We *should* wish to take advantage of this announcement.
>>>>
>>>> After all, think what difference having even 0.01% of the world's Java
>>>> coders moving to Smalltalk would make.�� How could we help that
>>>> happen?
>>>>
>>>> Think what it would be like to have thought-leaders like Kent Beck and
>>>> Ward Cunningham back in the Smalltalk fold.�� How could we help that
>>>> happen?
>>>>
>>>> Think what it would be like to get back all the universities who moved
>>>> from teaching OO concepts using Smalltalk into teaching them via Java.
>>>> We now know almost all the ones using Smalltalk as a teaching language
>>>> by name.�� Does anyone know even how many universities teach OO via
>>>> Java?�� What would it be like if 5% of those universities moved to
>>>> Smalltalk each year.�� How could we help that happen?
>>>>
>>>> Next - do we have any big brained thinkers who can see specific ways
>>>> we can improve interoperation between Java facilities and libraries
>>>> and the Smalltalks?�� For the next 12 months, we should work on Java
>>>> integration, rather than C++ integration.�� We should identify the
>>>> three best things for us to do in this regard,�� and make them polished
>>>> and compelling.�� Who is in a position to help that happen?
>>>>
>>>> The final way we can take advantage help the maximum number of people
>>>> find their way to us is to present a united community front to the
>>>> outside world.�� In the same way I am both a European and a Scot, we
>>>> need to be Smalltalkers *and*members of our individual
>>>> Smalltalk-platform communities.
>>>>
>>>> How can we help make that happen?
>>>>
>>>> This is not a silver bullet. It's going to cause a long-term trend in
>>>> events, not a sudden abrupt change.�� But it will have a real, if
>>>> gradual effect.�� (assuming that
>>>>
>>>> Equally, it is not something we should ignore.�� It is something we
>>>> should make use of.�� We need to put effort into raising our profile
>>>> over the next 6 months.
>>>>
>>>> On 25 November 2015 at 19:51, Casimiro - GMAIL
>>>> <casimiro.barreto@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Em 25-11-2015 17:21, Nicolas Anquetil escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25/11/2015 19:55, Jimmie Houchin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Much truth in what you say. However, what Oracle choose to invest its
>>>>> money,
>>>>> time, personnel resource into Java does affect its present and future.
>>>>> It
>>>>> has a great affect. But it isn't the whole story. Java has enough
>>>>> momentum
>>>>> in what already exists in the language and vm and what has been release
>>>>> under its license, for businesses to keep going for some time with only
>>>>> what
>>>>> currently exists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cobol is still alive (and well) after > 50 years.
>>>>> You can expect Java programmers to find jobs for many years yet to come
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> nicolas
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nicolas Anquetil
>>>>> RMod team -- Inria Lille
>>>>>
>>>>> 1st: Java is extremely profitable. Each android phone, each android TV,
>>>>> each
>>>>> android embedded system pays copyrights to Oracle.
>>>>> 2nd: Much of current cloud infrastructure depends on java.
>>>>> 3rd: Java is already obsolete, like Frotran, Cobol, C, C++. It will
>>>>> continue
>>>>> to be used by same reasons these languages are used.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, discussing java is not profitable. Better to discuss things to be
>>>>> than
>>>>> talk about things that already happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> casimiro
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