* Yes I do agree one single Tabbed Pane is a limitation, and I do not impose one.<div>* There is great use to opening independent windows.. and it is allowed..</div><div>* TWM GroupedWindow does provide what you want: Group myriad windows into a GroupedWindow.. and you can have several.. �either you implement #<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">configureForEmbedding properly for SystemWindow / #Dialog ... required classes or remove that call and have embedding with top label, - + x buttons.. that will not be right within a tab... its minor work..</span></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse">* You can use the framework of TabbedPanes I have to get the above.. simpler, without some of the other capabilities the above does provide that includes drag n drop.. not difficult to implement if reqd.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse">* From a code window navigation.. its providing another clean choice.. I have not as yet moved in an optional file manager on the left pane.. that does help many a times.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse">* eclipse is a well understood created by Smalltalkers IDE.. so I pick its simile.. but there is no copy here.. but what fits my use / percieved value beyond.</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse">ps: I do love the dance of Morphic..addictive actually, though this is staid corporate moves.. It would be nice to integrate openGL Lumiere, morpho-physics like stuff in a package that shows the potential of doing fancy stuff along with the plain old windowed widgets for the enterprise apps.. code browser : prefer a whole view of the class methods ( collapsible) .. while reviewing and refactoring, rather than mouse clicking/ jumping methods.. looking through .</span></font></div>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:collapse">Infact I love the city scape painted from Moose with Lumiere, Lovely visualization, which can make sense for financial apps, to show a complete scape of their accounts/ subaccounts in clean blocks of towers and be hyperlinked to their specific tabular/ notebook of data...! Extend and mix openGL but with stability / crash proof views... it can make a difference/ paradigm shift to apps of the day..<br>
</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:02 AM, Jimmie Houchin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jlhouchin@gmail.com">jlhouchin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I agree. I value highly many of the abilities our current UI. I would not want to give up the ability to have multiple browsers open and placed in certain positions to give me view into code in multiple areas as I edit whatever I am editing.<br>

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I do agree that we could make improvements and that we haven&#39;t arrived at the ultimate solution. I don&#39;t even think anyone knows what that is.<br>
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I don&#39;t have a problem with having an IDE-like window featured as desired for those who want such. You could possibly have a world menu item for IDE Window, which would open up a new IDE window. You could multiple such windows. That&#39;s one thing I always wished for when developing a Python project in PyDev (Eclipse) is that I could have multiple IDE windows, one for each project I am working on. The tabbed interface just gets in my way.<br>

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I would love to see the day that IDEs for other languages are or could be written in Pharo instead of Java. We could have a better Python, Ruby, ..., IDE written in Pharo than Eclipse.<br>
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One thing I would find interesting with tabs is if I could have a window with tabs where I group things that I want in that window. Browsers, Workspaces, etc. I don&#39;t know TWM may provide just that. I haven&#39;t had the time to explore and learn TWM.<br>

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One thing that new users of the Smalltalk IDE need to realize up front is that our ui is more operating system like than IDE like. We wouldn&#39;t want to limit our OS to a single window and tabs.<br>
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When I develop in Python I have more than one window open. I have PyDev in one, a REPL in another, GitGui, ... �But people unfamiliar with Smalltalk impose views which just need adjusted or educated.<br>
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For me personally, I feel like I am doing an elegant, graceful dance when programming in Pharo/Smalltalk. When developing in Python, etc., it feels like me an my partners are stepping all over each others feet. Little to no integration, little to no cooperation between tools.<br>

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People who love Eclipse, Emacs, and all there toolchains might feel that that is their elegant dance. But for me its two left feet.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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On 2/16/2012 2:38 AM, Fernando Olivero wrote:<br>
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Hi, i wanted to comment a bit on the proposed ui.<br>
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The problem with this single-window with tab panes, is that it forces<br>
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:57 AM, St�phane Ducasse<br>
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