Am 13.02.2012 20:25 schrieb "St�phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>:
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> Dear GuidoHi Stef!
> > Do the right things, make Pharo, Seaside *usable*
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> Did you try with VisualWorks?
> I'm pretty sure that you can use it without paying a license. :)>
> > Look at: http://www.cyberport.de/notebook-und-tablet/notebook-berater/erweiterte-suche/liste.html
> >
> > Selecting notebooks by price, endurance, weight, with sliders. I could sell *hundreds* of those shops to customers, big companies, hosting inclusive for 20.000 each.
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> Are you doing such web site? With Seaside? With Pharo?Wie started off a project, a shop like this, with Seaside on Pharo, and we had to give up, when benchmarks came into consideration.
You remember, some time ago, you and Marcus denied all my complaints:
http://forum.world.st/Hanging-connects-exhausted-resources-memory-leaks-bocked-everything-Unusable-td3669616.html
What has happened? I went on with pushing development of a similar shop (see cyberport.de) and�finally lost several 10.000nds of �, because Pharo/Seaside *is* much too slow for any serious enterprise.
> > Pharo/Seaside *is* the right tool if YOU WOULD DO THE RIGHT THINGS, not just bothering some class structure deep in Pharo.
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> > Pharo hangs even at *directly* serving static pages at low loads. I hoped to see significant speedups due to lack of any 3/4/5 tier middleware with being everything done within one VM. Database, delivery, �
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> Provide real code and examples.My former complaints (see link above) have been ignored, calling me a Troll, and in the meantime this list *is full* of reports Pharo being unstable.
You as being the *always optimistic* chief develloper and project manager your lazy attitude already has cost me a lot of �!!! More than your annual income!
But ok, my personal risk!
> > I am still disappointed. Welcome in the *real world*. Doing academic brainfuck is not sufficient.
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> :)
> Who are you to know what we are really doing :)I follow all changes, i know, hat you are aiming at! But - you've got the wrong priorities!
Stability *always* comes first!!!
> > So are your etats for developing Pharo, near ZERO. Start thinking like business men! Listen to that, what customers want!
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> I would be curious to see your "clients".I've got best connections to top 500 enterprise and deciders in germany. I would be pleased to present them a Seaside Shop, running on Pharo, PostgreSql or Magma behind, ready to run from within one image.
> Pharo is far from what we dream about but we are serious about it and we are concerned by business.
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> Now your trolling is good because we are not an obscure community without a troll but we have one troll
> so this is good. Thanks.Ok. If you are not able to get Pharo development managed under consideration of business needs, means: benchmarks and stress tests equiv to sunit tests, please step back as project leader!
> If you are positive and provide information that is not just bullshitting then we will consider to reply and consider your request else *plonk*
I am positive, still, although you cost me much money.
Happy hacking!
Guido Stepken