On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Dimitris Chloupis
<kilon.alios@gmail.com> wrote:
> Google is king of abandonware , they have closed down half of their software
> projects, Google Code was just the tip of the iceberg .�� The other half is
> close to be abandoned or at least heavily outdated. Moreover google code was
> crappy anyway, its close down went unnoticed.
>
> Github is nowhere anything like Google and its insult to even compare the
> two.
This is an interesting comparison.�� Google have experimented in many
different directions away from their core business of search, that end
up coming to an end.�� Indeed if you look at the reason googlecode was
shut down, google says: "when it started Google Code when project
hosting options were limited, but since launch in 2006, it's seen a
"wide variety of better project hosting services" such as GitHub and
Bitbucket rise to the forefront.�� ... Google itself has transferred
nearly a thousand of its own open-source projects to the popular
coding repository GitHub."�� [1]
A service shutting down sometime should be considered, but its a
different scenario that the one asked -- of new corporate overlords
extorting money from users.�� Probably the worst example of this is
Sourceforge. Once the darling on the open source community,
Sourceforge have committed reputational suicide [2] taking over
projects that moved elsewhere, and then bundling Adware with their
installers.�� [3] digs into the possibility the same could happen to
Github.
Nothing is certain, but at least considering whether Github might do
something similar:
* AFAIAA Sourceforge never had paid developer accounts.�� They tried to
monetize the proejct's users.�� Github makes money from businesses
wanting private repositories.
* Reputation is fragile�� ��Sourceforge's plummet serves a cautionary tale.
* Sourceforge projects were hosted as sub-domains (e.g.
http://project-name.sourceforge.net) -- so while projects could move
away from Sourceforge, Sourceforge remained in control of their old
site.�� ��Github on the other hand allows you to host your repository on
your *own* domain [4].�� So when you on from Github, your domain can
move too in a way that is largely transparent to the community.�� ��If
you want to be defensive, you should host github on your own domain.
[1] http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/13/8206903/google-code-is-closing-down-github-bitbucket
[2] http://www.infoworld.com/article/2929732/open-source-software/sourceforge-commits-reputational-suicide.html
[3] https://www.wiredtree.com/blog/could-github-eventually-suffer-the-same-fate-as-sourceforge/
[4] https://help.github.com/articles/about-custom-domains-for-github-pages-sites/
cheers -ben
>
> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 10:26 PM Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo
>> <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2015-12-17 17:08 GMT-03:00 Nicolas Anquetil <nicolas.anquetil@inria.fr>:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 17/12/2015 20:46, Peter Uhn��k wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Ah, that's interesting.�� So my concern is whether github is a safe
>>> >>> long-term bet.�� Specifically what is there to prevent some third
>>> >>> party from
>>> >>> buying github, or of github going public and the board taking the
>>> >>> decision,
>>> >>> or github on its own, deciding to charge for hosting, keeping the
>>> >>> data
>>> >>> hostage to extract payment?�� What safeguards are in place to prevent
>>> >>> this?
>>> >>> I'm not interested in "this will never happen" arguments.�� I'm
>>> >>> interested
>>> >>> in hard data please.
>>> >>
>>> >> GitHub explicitly reserves the right to shut down without notice,
>>> >> however considering they have ~10M users and ~30M repositories
>>> >> (ranging from small one-person projects, over programming languages,
>>> >> to governmental programs), do you really think it is a real scenario?
>>> >
>>> > well, googlecode closed didn't it?
>>> > and it was not a small affair either
>>>
>>> Google code was really small compared with Github.
>>>
>>> GitHub is monumental. It's to source management what Gmail is to email.
>>>
>>> > you never know what might happen in the future (trust a divorced man)
>>>
>>> You get half the code? (the part that needs refactoring probably)
>>
>>
>>
>> ROTFL
>>
>> _,,,^..^,,,_
>> thanks, Eliot