I think that pharo serves a need. The need for something solid and free from restrictions related to software.
Got interested in Smallatalk and Squeak quite a long time ago. But never moved past the toy-stage with them. Went homoiconic with Tcl and "OO" with the whole Java chain.
With Pharo, there is a sense of progress, cleanliness, and will to push the boundary by making some hard choices.
And this made me interested in how things worked inside, and invest time and energy in making it a key target platform for my ideas-materialization activities in my business. Because business thrives on something solid, and innovation doesn't like arbitrary restrictions.
Owning and mastering the whole chain from VM up to Image detail is huge. In Squeak, it is accretion. I think Pharo leans more towards the "crystallization" side of things. (Yep, I drank the kool-aid).
Philippe
2012/4/15 Pavel Krivanek
<pavel.krivanek@gmail.com>
Hi Edgar,
some weeks ago I played with an idea to have Pharo Kernel as the base
of Squeak. I compared the images to see how much work it would
constitute. I found out two things:
- it would not require too much work. It would be not simple but it is possible
- there is no reason to do that
I can imagine Squeak as an extension of Pharo but I do not see the
purpose and target users of the resultant system.
-- Pavel
On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene
<edgardec2005@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 4/15/12 8:50 AM, "Marcus Denker" <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
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>> I would not waste time with that... we will improve Pharo constantly, and it
>> will
>> be very hard (if not impossible) to keep some kind of compatibility layer on a
>> binary
>> code level between Pharo, Squeak and Cuis.
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>> And what do you get out of it? Wouldn't it be better to use the time to
>> improve one system
>> and make sure that system has a future?
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>> Marcus
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> And if none of actual forks have all as I wish?
> All have some good and all have some problem for me.
> It's why try to learn from all here and all in Squeak and from Juan.
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> Don't' sell me the fish, teach me to fishing.
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> Edgar
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