Am 01.12.14 um 19:56 schrieb kilon alios:
"It's not a matter of SourceTree or other program, it's about your git GUI app of preference. You can use plain git from the command line if you prefer.

The git repo is portable, the client is up to you."

+1000��

exactly and that is something I advocate.��

You cant use Sourcetree on linux ? ��no problemo use SmartGit��

you prefer using Emacs ? ��no problemo use magit.

you prefer the terminal ? no problemo use the terminal.
I prefer the Smalltalk environment.


The cool thing is that it does not really matter what you choose because all tools follow the git workflow, the rest is just ��a matter of preference.��

The disadvantage of sticking just with Pharo ? you will be lucky to be able to use a single tool and you will be also lucky if that tool has a substantial fraction of the features of some of the external tools.

Bigger community , bigger competition and cooperation. �� Quantity brings quality.

Sorry, if that would be true then Java or C# would be of extraordinary quality.
Smalltalk has been there for more than 30 years and will probably another 30 years.
Hypes come and go. Quantity for me seems more like the opposite of quality.

"Non-portable programs die with their system."��

Good luck waiting for MacOS and Windows to die.
Why shouldn't they be able to die? There have been other successful companies before.
Do you remember Netware? The market leader in networking, almost gone. What about DEC? Gone.
Windows is already declining and the Microsoft desparately tries to find new ways to get back.
Regarding Apple: They seem to be more interested in iPhone and iPad than in Macs.
Obviously they earn a lot more in this field.
IMO Apple and Microsoft have one thing in common these days: they make their products life style
products that can be used by everybody. Alas for your work needs their operating systems get worse with every release.
Windows XP and Snow Leopard are being seen as the best versions by some...

Nothing lasts forever so you can be sure that Windows and Mac OSX will die some day.


"Closed source programs die with their company."


a) if something "dies" that does not make it useless

b) The beauty of capitalism is that as long there is demand there is going to be supply. So you will never run out of options. Aint working like that with open source I am afraid.
That is not quite true. Look at what Oracle did with Solaris: They are not interested in the mass market.
If you don't have millions (better billions) to spend they don't care about you.
That's also possible in capitalism: you can ask very high prices so most people and companies cannot (or will not) be able to affort it
or you can deny to sell a product. You don't even need a good explanation for it.

I am all for open source, I am a huge fan and if I could I would use 100% open source if ��it satisfied me but you cant just push under the carpet the advantages of closed source software even if you are Richard Stallman. Plus we are MIT not GPL ;)��
My comment was not about discussing the pros and cons of closed versus open source software. My concerns are more about reliability.
For me it's totally Ok to use git for versioning IF the tools are there.
Squak and Pharo have decent versioning systems that suit their internal needs. There is room for improvements, that's for sure.
For me Smalltalk is a system and not a simple language with some arbitrary tools that can be replaced easily.

Andreas