On 20 Aug 2015, at 09:13, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:

Sorry but reading code is really important and now assistant is taking too much space.

for me code is as important as the other functionality.

the size of the code area (and the default size of the browser) can be easily increased, if needed.

And your proposal does not take into account hierarchy and I use it all the time.

my ��proposal�� is just a fast sketch made to illustrate how I would like to show certain functionality, it does not take into account any other functionality�� If I finish my browser proposal ever, it will have a lot more buttons in the toolbar :)

about hierarchy I think it should spawn a new browser, as before�� but it is still something we need to play with it.

The same way we use all the time variables.

*we* use them all the time, but most people does not use them never :)

anyway: an option in a tab is one click, same as with a button: not hard�� and we can play with the information we show in auxiliary panels better :)

Esteban

Stef

Le 19/8/15 11:50, Esteban Lorenzano a ��crit :

On 19 Aug 2015, at 11:44, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote:

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�� but arriving to it is not so easy.

In conclusion: We are doing some right steps. It is not finished, but we are not going to go back to older way :)

Hi Esteban,

My opinion is that you're still tied a lot to the Smalltalk 80's way... Which is good: someone coming from 1980 would be able to use Nautilus ;)

My critics on that design: the tabs are nice and certainly help see that a class has a class side. Overall look is more up to date. Tabs headers, scroll bars, etc... take far too much space: work area (the code area) is 39% of overall window size, and 68% counting in the context (package, class, protocol and method) (Numbers are worse on a small window, of course, but I guess some do work on small screens).

It will be nice to see simpler / cleaner Nautilus code coming along :)

yes, of course you are right :)

the GTools guys are working in a complete replacement, and I��m sure it will be a lot better�� but we will always need a backdoor�� and I would like to have a good browser even as a backdoor.

(also, our philosophy is incremental: we improve what we have while we wait for the break-thru improvements)

Esteban

ps: for me the ��code area�� is not equivalent to the ��work area��: I spend much more time understanding a problem than coding it, and for that a view of the method *in the context* is better)

Thierry