Well I would love to look at your code because I was imagining doing something similar , no reason to reinvent the wheel, of course assuming you dont mind sharing your code. Especially uniting the tools under one roof and extending the shortcuts is a big win for me.��

Its kinda funny I have considered several times to quit Pharo to go back to coding with python. More libraries , many great libraries, tons of documentation, even real time tutorials like codeacademy etc etc . Then I ask "sound great what IDE should I use that easy to modify on the fly and has a big enough community to help out that are friendly to newcomers..... you know... Pharo is not that bad :D "��

The truth is that for dynamic language the IDEs are around the same size in term on people working on it as is Pharo , pyDev for example which is the eclipse plugin for python support has 1 person and few other commiters, emacs python is pretty much abandonware and some other IDEs are again small teams, talking about open source. And I dont even go in the subject how easy it is to modify those IDEs. Pharo is the first IDE / enviroment that I find it enjoyable to hack.��

I totally agree that creating code that fits like a glove for your needs is ideal. But then open source usually starts like this, someone needed a tool, another tool existed but it did not get the job done the way the author wanted , or the code was too hard to extend , so he sit downs and makes some stuff and then says "lets open source it some people may find it useful as much as I do.��

So yes I do complain for time to time about Pharo but only because I really love Pharo , I think its awesome and I love to see what people do with it because I find that many ideas I have about the ideal IDE are not as special as I think and many people end up sharing the same ideas with me. This only makes me happier even more when I find a new idea I could have never figure out by myself : )

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote:
Le 24/11/2014 19:51, kilon alios a ��crit :

��>> I'm certainly a good example of that. My Pharo is mine! (and I have
an IDE I like which is truly
mine :P)

And I can only encourage you to do the same ;)

what you mean ? you have customised pharo for your needs ? care to share
, I am very interested :)

Well, yes, I did another system browser because I wanted to try a few things. And it kind of grow on you when you do that, so now its mine :) especially if, like me, you're not too successfull in promoting it ;).

It has grown to be a very significant part of what I use, because it replace many parts of the Pharo GUI now: the finder, Nautilus, the message/method list. And I've learned a lot doing so, like how to be reasonable: I need a working system, not one which will be extraordinary 10 years down the road.

I need something a guy can maintain and keep in sync with Pharo easily: done, it's only 4k lines (Nautilus is > 12k lines)... As it is a just for me, it's a no compromise thing: just what suits me and my workflow in Pharo and outside Pharo.

I would like to have emacs-shortcuts for all functions? Easy mate, could do! I want different menus? Check! I want a state of the art keyboard selection in a tree? Check! I want that browsers windows opens faster? Check! I want to have windows smaller to better fit my small screen? Check! I want to keep the same UI when searching / drilling down? Check! I want to be happy with the GUI I use? Check!

All this of course is building on Pharo strengths: an easy, open platform where building a new IDE is fairly simple (not that well documented, however). But there is nowhere else you could imagine doing that, apart from the Pharo and Smalltalk communities :)

Thierry