On 28 May 2015, at 20:37, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr> wrote:

Yes ctrl is more usual to save, copy etc. alt seems to be used to manipulate windows.
After using emacs for years, I cannot be disturbed by strange shortcuts anyway

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From: guillermopolito@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 18:30:25 +0000
To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

Always Ctrl. That's how usual application shortcuts work on windows and unix. Ctrl.

El jue., 28 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 8:28 p. m., Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> escribi�:

ok� but we are using what?

alt or ctrl?

my question is: the menus should show (for example, to save the image):

Ctrl + Shift + S

or

Alt + Shift + S

and since we are there: What happens with linux?

Esteban

On 28 May 2015, at 20:25, Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr> wrote:

It depends, ahah.
To copy/paste it is ctrl, but to quit a window it is alt F4, to switch between windows it is alt + tab ... 
But there is also a meta key, the windows key. With a mac keyboard for example, the cmd key does this meta key. 

As a windows user it became an other language to know, there is no absolute rule for shortcuts 

Franck

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From: estebanlm@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 20:16:49 +0200
To: nicolaihess@web.de; pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

I�m lost now. 

Which one is the �meta� key in windows? Alt or Ctrl?

Esteban

On 28 May 2015, at 20:04, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess@web.de> wrote:

2015-05-28 19:47 GMT+02:00 Franck Warlouzet <franck.warlouzet@hotmail.fr>:

I am a windows user and I noticed a couple of strange things :

- To open a transcript, or a browser or other, it is written alt + O + T, or B, or other, but it is ctrl + O + T, or B or other actually.

this changed just recently

15612

ToolShortcutsCategory has hard code shortcut.

(pharo 50071 (I asked Cyril to announce this change on the mailing list))

 

- Do it in a playground is alt + d or ctrl + d, but in Nautilus it is only alt + d (ctrl + d seems to go to the end of the text)
 
I will continue to find this kind of thing 

Cheers,

Franck

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From: estebanlm@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 19:15:05 +0200
To: pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org
Subject: [Pharo-dev] I need a windows user and a linux user to test

Hi, 

I need win/linux users (and why not, other mac users than me) to test this issue: 

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15621

basically, it normalises all menu shortcut output� in a long but clear way (and compatible with the platform).

cheers, 

Esteban