On 27 July 2015 at 18:31, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier@gmail.com> wrote:
Le 27/07/2015 15:42, Igor Stasenko a ��crit :
Nothing here is about things to fix,
but rather about how impossible to debug event handling in system that
runs and relies on very same events..

Esay Igor, just use a code event tracer as for example Jejak, and all you describe below won't happen. Or an event logger, or metalinks, or anything.
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I don't understand. You have the tools, why don't you use them?


Perhaps because i unaware of them?
And while i agree that using robust tools would help, i don't see how tools can help with "unkilling" an image which you just killed by own hand because of mistake you made :)

About Jejak, i only found this: http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2012-July/067679.html

Where i can read bout it? It sounds very useful indeed.

Thierry


I had very annoying problem with mouse move handling and processing it
correctly, and i finally solved the problem after number of attempts to
track down where problem lies in..

So, here is small list of problems i faced:

�� - broken image (image won't start up) , because i send unimplemented
message in critical place, thus image simply non-responsible/crashing
immediately after startup. Easy to fix (sarcasm)

- debugger window spam on every event (because of DNU/other exception).
A slightly friendlier problem than above :)

- and last one, if you break some event handling/delivery, even if image
"behaves" you simply left without events doing what is needed, means you
got another form of a broken image, which you cannot use anymore and
need to start over and revert the changes you made.

- veeeerrrrryyy slow event handling, because of printing every event
into transcript , trying to see where the shit lies.

- decrypting kilometers long event traces to see what goes where

But when things finally start work properly, you feel excited :)

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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.





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Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.