2012/2/14 Igor Stasenko <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:siguctua@gmail.com">siguctua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Now seriously, do you really think that people here are not considered<br>
all of things you listed,<br>
and not trying to improve things in those directions?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Don&#39;t see benchmarks anywhere on Pharo Homepage, even the 1.3 Image was not up to date for long time. Nobody really cared.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Stef as project leader missed to set up &quot;daily todo list&quot;, list of dutys for the developers, payed or unpayed, doesn&#39;t play any role!</div><div><br></div><div>Choosing the *right* development process decides over the quality an speed of a product, free or unfree.</div>
<div>��</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Also, do you have any idea how many man-hours it may require to<br>
implement all items in your list?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, 4-5 manyears? So, why reinventing the wheel, like with COGVM? LLVM ist much better supported by big, big, commercial companies.</div><div>��</div>
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And even if you can estimate it, do you have any idea where to find<br>
such massive amount of human resource for such activities?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I wish, you would lean the profession of fundraising for Pharo. Set up an auction homepage, file out code to be refactored, or to be programmed, with call for bids, name the price, collect money. And you will see, there are thousands of Smalltalkers outside being a still reserve ... solving Pharo problems for a few bucks, mostly located in Asia, Russia, India.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In India a Smalltalk developer is about 600$/Month. Fully qualified.</div><div>��</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> And most of<br>

all, are those people will work for free, based on their enthusiasm,<br>
or well paid?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>See above, wrong development process.</div><div>��</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Because if you pay to people, then you having full right to demand<br>
things to be done right and<br>
in right term. But if you don&#39;t, then just please shut up and stop<br>
bashing people who doing everything<br>
for free, so you can use it paying NOTHING.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not bashing. You all don&#39;t understand how to set up successful projects.</div><div>��</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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So, next time you will say that you lost a bunch of money because of<br>
Pharo, i&#39;d like to also see an attached figures the amount of money<br>
you invested into Pharo project.<br>
<div class="im HOEnZb"><br></div></blockquote><div>��</div><div>Where is the list of sponsors for your Pharo projekt on the homepage? Private, Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum? The topten list of committers?</div><div><br></div>
<div>Have fun, Guido Stepken</div></div>