2014-07-15 20:27 GMT+02:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com>:

I find the "... it" suffix obsolete. "Delete it", "Do it", "Print it", etc.

Maybe it made sense in the past, but today it feels weird.

There is no "Cut it", "Paste it", etc... nor similar in other software.
IMO, if the menu is contextual, the context already applies the "it" (subject).

Regards.

Did you notice "it" is only mentionned when you will evaluate (do it / print it / debug it / ... )?

Otherwise, if it's just text editing there is no it.

So there is a sort of logic. IMO that makes sense, because evaluating is a special action.

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Esteban A. Maringolo

2014-07-15 15:16 GMT-03:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios@gmail.com>:

> In python there is eval() which evaluates
>
> and there is exec() which executes
>
> The difference is that one calculates a value which it returns , the other
> executes code.
>
> Personally I find "do it" very good choice because it makes clear what you
> referring to , in contrast "evaluate" and "execute" can mean different
> things under different context.
>
>

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> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:07 PM, stepharo <stepharo@free.fr> wrote:
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>> In general I banned evaluate from the book vocabulary because people think
>> that this is slower.

Compiler evaluate: is more how you do it ;)

I'd say just do it (it's ok, we are an imperative language after all).

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>> I saw teachers writing that smalltalk is interpreted and java compiled :).
>> I use execute.
>>
>>

Ah, Cursor execute showWhile: [...], st80-v2 also had this vocabulary.

So if the UI must reflect that you execute something, it's certainly a valuable word.

I checked, it's still in Pharo 3.0 :)

Personally, I find it too unpersonnal though. A robot, or an automaton executes a list of instructions.

I prefer the anthropo-morphic programming ;)

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>> On 15/7/14 19:20, Ben Coman wrote:
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>>>
>>> Mostly I take for granted that "DoIt" has always been the way to evaluate
>>> things with Smalltalk, however I find it awkward to use in writing a
>>> tutorial. ��Some examples... * After saving, select "Grid new" and "DoIt" ��--
>>> this sounds awkward, and even that you might need select the latter as well.
>>> * After saving, "Grid new" DoIt. ��-- doesn't read nice
>>> * After saving, DoIt to "Grid new." ��-- worst of all
>>>
>>> I'd feel better writing something like this...
>>> * After saving, evaluate "Grid new".
>>> but "evaluate" is not an item in the menus. ��I think actually many people
>>> talk this way with the implicit convention that "evaluate" means "DoIt".
>>>
>>> So first, does anyone have a good way to compose sentences using "DoIt".
>>> Second, how evil would it be to change the menus from "DoIt" to
>>> "Evaluate" and so avoid the implicit convention.
>>>
>>> cheers -ben
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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