I agree too , having realistic expectations is the wise thing to do. All of us �want the Stars and the Moon , the question is what we can really have and that we all or at least most of us do contribute even in very small portions. Whats better way to live than improve the very things we love ? �

Personally I love all the new "unclean" things I see in pharo. Why keep things in a closet because of unknown bugs, unleash them to the world and let the world shape them to something mature. Thats how you make great code.�

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:52 PM, St�phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:

>> I really like Nautilus, the groups, the history navigation, the code panel with the color warning for
>> long methods. It is good doing experiments with new or better developer tools.
>>
>> But some parts just looking as "quickly hacked into it", just to make it running.
>> And there are bugs.
>> Nautilus could need some refactoring/code cleanup.
>>
>> In my point of view, in a clean and stable pharo release,
>> all smalltalks tools (browser debugger inspectro ...) should show you
>> "look, thats the way of doing it in smalltalk /pharo".
>>
>>
>> I would really like to more emphasis on "clean and stable�.

Oh yes. Now if somebody has 5 engineers that do not know what to do, I have some ideas :)

> Yes.. the problem is not the �want� but the �do�� in the end we always need to manage
> it with the limited resources we have�

+ 1
This is why we should simplify and clean it.

Stef