El mi��, 01-09-2010 a las 15:44 +0900, Serge Stinckwich escribi��:

> Don't confuse open-source software with free software:
>
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html

I think that this has already gone off-topic. The original argument was
that Andreas wanted to open source it (MIT likely) and at the same time
prohibiting forking of the codebase.
My point was that if it was open source or free software then the
forking was a granted right.
If he wanted to avoid it then he couldn't claim is free software or open
source.

With MIT you can fork (of course) but also with GPL (like the
emacs/xemacs fork).

Let not bring this thread in a free software vs open source war.

Cheers

>
>
> 2010/8/31 Miguel Enrique Cob�� Mart��nez <miguel.coba@gmail.com>:
> > El mar, 31-08-2010 a las 00:43 +0200, Levente Uzonyi escribi��:
> >> On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Miguel Enrique Cob�� Mart��nez wrote:
> >>
> >> > El mar, 31-08-2010 a las 00:25 +0200, Levente Uzonyi escribi��:
> >> > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, Friedrich Dominicus wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Levente Uzonyi <leves@elte.hu> writes:
> >> >
> >> > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010, St��phane Ducasse wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I suggest that the people that want and know, group together and build an open-source one.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Why do you have to have your "own" library?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Did I say "pharo library"? reread carefully I said an "open-source one".
> >> > >
> >> > > What I get from Andreas' words is that he's willing to make it open
> >> > > source if it won't be forked.
> >> > Hm I think this is impossible. If it's OS it's up to whomever get its
> >> > hand on it. Or am I mistaken?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Just think about GPL, it's open source, but you can't fork the code if you
> >> > don't release your changes as GPL too.
> >>
> >> "I don't get it. If it ��is open source then is forkable. Period.
> >> If it is a special case like GPL, it add some other restriction, like
> >> you can't redistribute the new code without it being also GPL. You can
> >> fork it and not using GPL for the new changes, the restriction is that
> >> you can't redistribute it."
> >>
> >> From wikipedia: "Open-source software (OSS) is computer software that is
> >> available in source code form for which the source code and certain other
> >> rights normally reserved for copyright holders are provided under a
> >> software license that permits users to study, change, and improve the
> >> software."
> >>
> >> There's nothing about forking or redistributing here. I could make a
> >> license that says: you can study, change and improve the software, but
> >> you can't redistribute it without my permission.
> >>
> >> "But the fact remains that it is forkable always. If you don't want it
> >> forkable, then use other non open source license."
> >>
> >> See above. You could "fork" it, but that wouldn't be open source anymore.
> >>
> >
> > You must be kidding. The freedom to fork is a essential right of open
> > source software:
> > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10379280-16.html
> >
> > http://asay.blogspot.com/2006/10/wither-right-to-fork.html
> >
> > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
> > http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd
> > http://www.opensource.org/node/357
> >
> > period.
> >
> >>
> >> Levente
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Levente
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Friedrich
> >> >
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