Hi,

@Cyril

I don't know if it should be in the SettingBrowser since Pharo currently
comes with only one menu (if someone know how to implement a new one it
will be easy for him to find the option to change the pragma of the
MenuBarMorph), but the pragma should be parametrizable in any case.

Adding a new pragma is not a problem, you can use whatever name you want (see e.g. worldMenuExample pragma), but there is no way to tell Pharo to use this instead of the default one.

I don't know if it should be in the SettingBrowser since Pharo currently��comes with only one menu

Oh, never mind. I just found out that this is already in place, in WorldState class>>desktopMenuPragmaKeyword:. I don't know how I managed to miss this in the past.

So if the new menu bar just uses this (WorldState class>>discoveredMenuPragmaKeyword), or uses a similar mechanism (so the menus can differ, which would be also nice), then all is well.

I'll rephrase, we have ideas to manage all those problems but how do we
implement it? Currently there is no widget to do that and sadly we don't
have enough time to create them :(

I don't know about menu morph, but the bottom menu can handle overflow, can that be used for the time-being?

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@Sean:

Were these projects where you were the only user?��

No.

For experienced users, I struggle to see how "Navigate over to Xyz��which takes up screen real estate" is better than "click wherever the cursor��happens to be"

Pharo adds 25px margin on all sides of a full-screen window. This is enough to add menu to each side. So in fact Pharo already wastes 4x as much space to do what you want.

Secondly, my menu doesn't match the world menu, it provides the most important/common options that user needs; so yes, it is faster, because it is one or two clicks instead of going through items that are not relevant to the user.

Finally, even if I didn't consider full screen, very often I find myself having to move windows, just so I can expose a piece of desktop to click on.

Please don't forget that some Pharo applications are meant for (non-programmer) end users, and not for (Pharo) developers.

But don't see a problem with adding a checkbox to settings "Menu bar [x]". There is already such a setting for the bottom task bar ("Taskbar...").

Peter

On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Cyril,

On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 03:48:54PM +0200, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote:
> On 01/06/2018 15:18, Alistair Grant wrote:
>
> Personally, I would like to have display strategies for the WorldMenu
> and the user could select the one he likes (because nobody will agree on
> UI).
> For example:
> - Menu bar strategy
> - World menu strategy
> - Start button strategy
> - Composite strategy to have multiple ones
>
> Now it is simple to do the two first, but I will probably not have the
> time to implement the "Start button" one.

Fair enough. (I haven't had time to do much of anything recently)



On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 03:56:14PM +0200, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote:
> On 01/06/2018 15:25, Peter Uhn??k wrote:
> >
> > Also, is it (easily) possible to configure the position of the menu?
> > Both top/down, as well as RTL and LTR direction (or right-aligned LTR)
> > which I mentioned for the bottom menu in an earlier github discussion.
> >
>
> For now I don't think so. I think it would be cool to integrate this
> first version then everyone can try to improve it.

+1 (to integrating a first version and iterating)

Cheers,
Alistair