2010/1/3 Stan Shepherd <stan.shepherd414@gmail.com>

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
>
> Hi Linus. I like you name. I hope you know which is the best/most complete
> OS ;)

For sure I know that :-) It has really amazed me how portable the Smalltalk environments are.
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>
> You asked a really complicated question. I will give you just my opinion:
>
> OB advantages:
> - It is most of the time quite stable
> - It has good integration with refactoring tools (because the developer is
> the same -> Lukas)
> - It is fast enough.
>
> OB disadvantages:
> - You don't have package support.
>
> O2 advantages:
> - It is nicer that OB
> - Package support
> - Cool little tools like running the test clicking in the circul and
> having
> the circul with black, green or other colors depending the running, etc.
>
> O2 disadvantages:
> - It overrides and depends of OB stuff (we hope this will be fixed)
> - Sometimes I found it quite unstable. More likely the Refactoring
> integration
> - Quite slow. This is due to the fact how packages are managed (I think)
> and
> Stef is trying to build a replace for this :)
>
>
> In summary, I like more the O2 and I would like to use that, but for the
> things I told you as disadvantages and finished using OB.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mariano
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Alexandre Bergel
> <alexandre@bergel.eu>wrote:
>
>> This is a matter that we haven't reached a consensus yet. Some people
>> prefer the O2 Package Browser. This browser gives you a pretty good
>> feeling of a package structured image with folding/unfolding and
>> hierarchical views. Some may find this browser slow however.
>>

>> The remaining of pharo users favor snappiness, and prefer
>> OBSystemBrowserAdaptor.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alexandre
>>
>>
>> On 3 Jan 2010, at 13:49, Linus De Meyere wrote:
>>
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > Is there any overview of the class browsers available in Pharo? It
>> > seems there are a few, and I'm not quite sure which one is the most
>> > complete these days. Moreover, some of the functionality I find in
>> > one browser (alphabetize) is missing in another.
>> >
>> > Maybe it's just a matter of taste, but since I'm not yet very
>> > familiar with the Pharo environment, I thougt I'd better ask around.
>> >
>> > Greetz,
>> >
>> > Linus
>>
>

Hi Linus, I have had exactly the same experience as Mariano. I would really
recommend Lint/Code critics and Refactoring browser to help learn Pharo
ways- a bit like having your own pair programming partner at all times. For
now , that seems to mean OB.

I like the metaphor of using these tools as if they are your pairs :-)
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To get an image with these all working together, look at:
http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0a5.app.zip
http://www.seaside.st/distributions/Seaside-3.0a5.app.zip
(note this is not an official release, but it is very stable).

To make the ctl-c, ctl-v keys work (at least on Linux), you need to run
InputEventSensor duplicateControlAndAltKeys: true

And if you want it to look like the books/tutorials, change the theme to
Watery 2 from the preference browser.

As for now I stick with the Standard Squeak Theme. The colors of the windows really help organizing the workspace. Thanks for the tip anyway!
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Hopefully the browsers will soon be reconciled with each other.

...Stan

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