On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Adrian Lienhard <adi@netstyle.ch> wrote:
Just a meta remark...

In this thread 8 people have sent a total of 30 mails. But in the end nobody volunteers to do the (not very hard) work to make what was discussed actually happen. Was this a bikeshed.com discussion? Maybe not since designing good menus is complex and important. But my point is that we should take care, as a community, to not only invest into discussions but at least as much into *doing*.

You're right, but for my part I *hate* saying "I will do" and then don't find the courage/motivation/whatever and not doing it (especially when something else captures my energy,��I'm suspicious of myself :).

That said I've reached the first step I want on Autotest, so now I can work on the menus, I know how it works.

Cheers,

Laurent

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Cheers,
Adrian



On Jun 16, 2010, at 08:42 , Adrian Lienhard wrote:

> OK, since there seems no opposition lets change it as proposed.
>
> Any taker?
>
> Adrian
>
> On Jun 15, 2010, at 09:17 , St��phane Ducasse wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:07 PM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>>
>>> OK, Torsten has some good points (like, why not doing it right now rather than later?)! I took the proposal of Torsten from an earlier mail and tweaked it a bit. This shows the complete world menu including sub menus:
>>>
>>> System Browser
>>> Workspace
>>> Test Runner
>>> Monticello Browser
>>> --------------------
>>> Tools
>>> ... (<-as today)
>>> Windows
>>> Collapse all windows
>>> Expand all windows
>>> Close top window �� ��<<<< we could remove that since you can also press the button
>>> Close all debuggers
>>> Send top window to back
>>> Move window onscreen
>>> Delete unchanged windows
>>> System
>>> About...
>>> Settings
>>> --------------
>>> VM statistics
>>> Start profiling all processes
>>> Start profiling UI
>>> --------------
>>> Start drawing again
>>> Start stepping again
>>> --------------
>>> Restore display
>>> Enable halt inspect once
>>> Help
>>> Help Browser
>>> ProfStef Tutorial
>>> Welcome Workspace
>>> ----------------
>>> Save
>>> Save as...
>>> Save and quit
>>> Quit
>>>
>>>
>>> Note, I inlined the debug menu into System. The reason is that I don't like multiply nested menus and the system menu does not get overly long. Also I deleted "Space left". Maybe other items like "Start stepping again" are also not really useful anymore? Furthermore I moved "Close all debuggers" into the Windows menu. I kept About... in system as I think it has not much to do with Help but more with System. I also changed the labels of some of the items (like Help Browser and ProfStef Tutorial).
>>>
>>> Does that look reasonable?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On Jun 14, 2010, at 20:45 , St��phane Ducasse wrote:
>>>
>>>> torsten
>>>>
>>>> propose a menu redistribution as laurent did so that we arrive to something better.
>>>> I agree that debug could be in another place than in root.
>>>>
>>>> stef
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