On 3/10/14 18:56, Hern��n Morales Durand wrote:


I have the same feeling. "Pharo is yours, but I take the main decisions". Actually it feels a little bit insulting, I am using Pharo since several years in a domain which nobody works with Smalltalk, and never got a survey request (except for some software engineering research). And I bet there are people not in the Pharo/Moose/Seaside team that didn't received any attention and they are doing significant experiences.
You are paranoid. :) We know well people in Moose and Seaside and they know that they can talk to us.
Just ask and we listen. I do not think that people understand what is our life. We are not a team working on Pharo. We are a research team
fighting to get some time to push Pharo and Inria gives us some money to pay engineers like igor, and esteban.

Why they don't write here? I suspect one of the reasons is Pharo is being too motivated by software enineering research and not enough interest for other giant domains like 3D, finance, expert systems, HPC, etc. People perceive this.
We are NOT DOING RESEARCH IN SOFTWARE ENGINEERING IN PHARO.
Repeat after me.
We are NOT DOING RESEARCH IN SOFTWARE ENGINEERING IN PHARO.

We are just maintaining it and making sure that we can have a decent compiler and infrastructure to build other systems.


How could we build finance, HPC, 3d without been experts. Do not dream there are full team of researchers at Inria building real 3d engines.
Why would we go there? Seriously.




I see years passing but money never comes. You cannot expect big funding if you keep doing things the same as always.

Exactly and do not dream about investors.
Now we work hard to set the consortium. If at the end of the journey, people do not sponsor or participate then we will close it.
and we will look back and say that we did our best. We create an autonomous entity that can manage Pharo but if we cannot pay an engineer
with it then this is ok too. But people should not complain that open-source Pharo does not work.
We do not have mozilla or google behind us and if individuals do not understand that they can get an impact = Pharo is yours
then what can we do. Just continue slower with less engineers.




Yes, please stop rejecting feedback that you won't like.

We do not reject it.
But I can say that you can stop rejecting our feedback if you do not like it too :)

My feedback is:

������ WE FIGHT EVERY SINGLE DAY TO GET RESOURCES IN PHARO.
������ WE SPEND LOT OF ENERGY TO MAKE IT HAPPENING.
������ and we could do something else in our life and get paid the same.

������ So start thinking to help yourself because this is the best way to build the pharo you need and we do not need the same.
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Cheers,

Hern��n