Le 25 nov. 2014 08:59, "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm@gmail.com> a ��crit :
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>> On 25 Nov 2014, at 08:27, phil@highoctane.be wrote:
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>> Well, I am working with a couple startups in the mobile space.
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>> You see that people uninstall larger apps.
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>> It is not an opinion it is a metric. Also I am speaking about RAM too.
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>> Nexus devices are special as they usually manage storage well and have more than other devices. I have a nexus 7 around.
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>> Some apps are not able to go to the external SD card and with devices with 4 or 8 GB internal storage it becomes an issue once you factor in pictures, movies etc. Cleanmaster not withstanding. I use it too. But not everyone knows about it.
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>> Lower end smartphones aren't as good.
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>> I want Pharo to be relevant on my mobe as a dev platform through HTML5. Maybe not today but ultimately.
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>> Part of that is reducing the footprint. Java runs on the mobe in a smaller footprint. So can Pharo.
>> A modular Pharo is the key and it is not easy to achieve it seems.
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> in iOS, pharo does not load all image into RAM for running, it just loads a paginated version, so you do not have all image in memory at a time.��
> this was a cool solution at the moment.��
> the problem why pharo is not more used in mobile is because it was slower than a native app, and there were some problems due the absence of FFI on ARM.��
> With Nick Ager we even did an extension to transform the main window of an iPhone into a WebView, handled (at the moment) by a seaside app using jquery mobile.��
> results were interesting (although I disagree with html5 supporters and I think it is still ages far from truly native).��

I saw some of that in the iOS VM. It is nice.

HTML5 is not native speed indeed.

But I am on the HTML5 bandwagon, so, that's what I do use. Hence my interest in Amber for example.

Phil

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>> PharoME - "Micro Edition" is a powerful value proposition for a lot of use cases.
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>> Coupled with things like what Goran does with Nim could open interesting avenues.
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>> I agree that machines are getting more powerful and this will not matter in the long run. But for getting in the game now it does. That's the whole point I think.
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>> Phil
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>> Le 25 nov. 2014 00:48, "kilon alios" <kilon.alios@gmail.com> a ��crit :
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>>> my opinion is this : if something needs to go because it does not add to the usefulness of the package , then kill it without hesitation ��and kill it with fire.��
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>>> But if you kill it just for the sake of keeping the distribution small then yes I have a problem with that especially for platforms that size is not an issue for the vast majority of users.��
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>>> Other than that I leave it to the good judgement of pharoers , obviously sometime is not a simple decision and will depend on the particulars of the situation.��
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