On 25 Nov 2014, at 08:27, phil@highoctane.be wrote:

Well, I am working with a couple startups in the mobile space.

You see that people uninstall larger apps.

It is not an opinion it is a metric. Also I am speaking about RAM too.

Nexus devices are special as they usually manage storage well and have more than other devices. I have a nexus 7 around.

Some apps are not able to go to the external SD card and with devices with 4 or 8 GB internal storage it becomes an issue once you factor in pictures, movies etc. Cleanmaster not withstanding. I use it too. But not everyone knows about it.

Lower end smartphones aren't as good.

I want Pharo to be relevant on my mobe as a dev platform through HTML5. Maybe not today but ultimately.

Part of that is reducing the footprint. Java runs on the mobe in a smaller footprint. So can Pharo.
A modular Pharo is the key and it is not easy to achieve it seems.

in iOS, pharo does not load all image into RAM for running, it just loads a paginated version, so you do not have all image in memory at a time. 
this was a cool solution at the moment. 
the problem why pharo is not more used in mobile is because it was slower than a native app, and there were some problems due the absence of FFI on ARM. 
With Nick Ager we even did an extension to transform the main window of an iPhone into a WebView, handled (at the moment) by a seaside app using jquery mobile. 
results were interesting (although I disagree with html5 supporters and I think it is still ages far from truly native). 

Esteban

PharoME - "Micro Edition" is a powerful value proposition for a lot of use cases.

Coupled with things like what Goran does with Nim could open interesting avenues.

I agree that machines are getting more powerful and this will not matter in the long run. But for getting in the game now it does. That's the whole point I think.

Phil

Le 25 nov. 2014 00:48, "kilon alios" <kilon.alios@gmail.com> a ��crit :
my opinion is this : if something needs to go because it does not add to the usefulness of the package , then kill it without hesitation  and kill it with fire. 

But if you kill it just for the sake of keeping the distribution small then yes I have a problem with that especially for platforms that size is not an issue for the vast majority of users. 

Other than that I leave it to the good judgement of pharoers , obviously sometime is not a simple decision and will depend on the particulars of the situation.