In addition to providing a nice service of building the images, Damien is really just the messenger.  We can either have the latest and greatest of whatever various parties produce, or we can have an acceptance process and/or our own forks of packages that are known to be stable.
 
Even with controls in place, we probably should have some type of testing period.  One relatively easy way to accomplish that would be to show both the most recent dev and web builds and "last month's" versions on the download page.  Anything we can do to prevent recurring bugs (the class/method node tests, anything that brings automated builds to a halt, etc.) will make it easier on people to test the latest images.
 
Bill
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] We need to do something, seriously!!!! [WAS] Fwd: Issue 1721: Refactoring appears to be broken in web dev image. e.g. OBClassNode(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #dynamicProtocols

Thanks Lukas to be agree. I like your scripts, but the problem is that you use your own forked repository to get an stable version. I would love to have THAT, but in the original repositories. Examples: omnibrowser, unsorted, etc.  Do you know how we can fix this ?


On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 7:25 PM, St�phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
Yes lukas now damien was nice to build the images because I could not do them.
But damien is doing Java daily.
 

Of course this is not Damien fault. Everybody here do as much as possible.

 
And you do not like the package browser and we need it :).

So I do not know what to do.
       - first we should add simple trait creation to the OB
       - now frankly I do not know how we could manage moose without the package browser.



Yes, most of the problems in a dev image are related usually with the system browser :(

 
Stef

On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> I have already said it several times. Most of the people don't care how
>> nice, fast, clean, open source and well programmed is the Pharo Core image
>> if they cannot use the Dev or Web image.
>
> This is what I am telling for years already. I don't know how other
> people think about this, but to me it feels very embarrassing to have
> to advertise my own way of building images over and over again?
>
> Here is it again: I am using the scripts
> <http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts> to get from a
> Pharo 1.0rc1 a fast and stable development and deployment image. The
> image loads a well tested and fast OB, a working and well tested
> refactoring engine, working syntax highlighting, working code
> completion, and several other tools I use daily and that I cannot work
> without. I am not telling it is bug free, but with my personal
> workflow I can use it without getting interrupted by bugs all the
> time. And when I encounter a bug, I fix it.
>
> I don't think that somebody can build a stable distribution without
> using it 12 hours daily. Have a look at PharoCore, it is only rock
> solid because Stef is using it all day long to integrate fixes. Have a
> look at Squeak Trunk, it only sees improvement because Andreas is
> using it all day long. Have a look at Debian, Gentoo, ...
>
> Lukas
>
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