2009/5/23 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>

John,

�

"Yes I know this is a�irksome�rule, but people should be aware of the implications.�"

�

- you can say that again.� Conspicuously among those people are the members of the US House and Senate, and those who elected them.

�

Bill

�

From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of John McIntosh
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:41 PM

To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo

Ok, in the past I've built the DES plugin for the macintosh.�

However I should point out that�Cryptography��should NOT be made part of the base VM. Why? Well the USA�government�then wants you to fill out export paperwork if you are USA company or selling product thru the USA that someone that doesn't live in the USA could buy. An example of this is when you submit apps to the Apple iPhone app store, then you are asked if the product includes any encryption and if you have done the paperwork.�

Yes I know this is a�irksome�rule, but people should be aware of the implications.�

2009/5/23 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>

Did someone commit any kind of magic to Pharo core orCryptography packge ? I just prepared a latest image to start working on it but I see only 3 red tests. Those are: testDES, testDES2 and testDSASigninAndVerifying.

And all of them fail because of the same problem: a primitive has failed. The primitive is

primCookKey: aByteArray mode: flag to: cooked
�� <primitive: 'primitiveDESCookKey' module: 'DESPlugin'>
�� ^ self primitiveFailed

I look here: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/VMPluginOverview�� but I didn't found it. I don't have that plugin in my Exupery VM.

Perhaps downloading VMMaker and try to generate the plugin is a good idea but I never even download VMMaker haha

Anyway, is this important?

Cheers,

Mariano

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab@anest.ufl.edu> wrote:

Stef,

I proposed that a while ago, but there was a stunning lack of response. �The offer is still good however; I'd welcome a group effort to tackle it.

Bill

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From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of St�phane Ducasse

Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 9:55 AM
To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo

Hi guys

Why don;t you join forces and create a Cryptography package which work for pharo and for you.
Mariano I still would love to know the method of integer that are missing

Stef

On May 22, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Jan van de Sandt wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I faced the same problem with Cloudfork-AWS. This project required the
> Cryptography package for generating the signatures using SHA and for
> generating MD5 hash values.
>
> When I had problems loading the package in Pharo and I learned that
> the package was no longer maintained I copied the classes I required
> to a Cloudfork package. I needed the MD5, SHA1 and SHA256 classes. I
> renamed them to CFMD5, CFSHA1 and CFSHA256, I also prefixed all the
> methods in the required class extensions with cf. For example
> ThirtyTwoBitRegister>>cfBitShift: anInteger. You can use a simular
> approach for Glorp.
>
> Jan.
>
> PS: Another dependency of Cloudfork is a HTTP client. I'm now
> playing around with the CurlPlugin, this plugin works very well.
> Things like supporting https become real easy
>
> 2009/5/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck@gmail.com>
>
>
> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro.diaz.trepat@jpmorgan.com
> > wrote:
> I'm really sorry to hear it is no longer being maintained.
> It was a necessary package to connect to properly set up Postgres
> databases, that requiere sending password hashes with SHA-1. �We
> will probably face this kind of need when interacting with the
> outside world in general.
>
> Yes. That's why I saw it. I am trying to make Glorp to work in
> Pharo, but as you know Glorp in Squeak only works with Postgres. And
> the native postgres driver requieres cryptography package when you
> use md5 :(
>
> Just for now, I disable md5 from my postgres and use "password" auth-
> method. With this, cryptography is not needed. However, this is not
> an option in a production enviorment.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mariano
>
>
> It was a fantastic package, I wonder why the maintainers droped it.
> I suppose maintaining crypto frameworks up to date, with no
> vulnerabilities, is a lot of work.
> Sorry for venting out my sadnes to the list.
> Cheers
>
> r.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr
> ] On Behalf Of St�phane Ducasse
> Sent: 22 May 2009 11:08
> To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo
>
> Ok I thought the cryptology package was working well and maintained.
>
> Stef
>
> On May 22, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
>
> > Agreed: I mentioned both curl and OpenSSL - we should embrace both.
> > AFACT, the cryptography package is a thing of the past, and we
> > should look to active projects. �Tell me where I'm wrong, please.
> >
> > Another reality, fair or not: if we were to take on the enormous
> > burden of maintaining the cypto package, there would always be
> > questions about security holes we left open. �The same will be true
> > of OpenSSL, but there is (not always fair) credibility in numbers
> > widely known projects. �There will be would-be users of Pharo who
> > will want OpenSSL for its reputation, and who would question a home-
> > grown solution.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr
> > ] On Behalf Of Fernando olivero
> > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:20 AM
> > To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr
> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo
> >
> >
> > Just a comment,
> >
> > you could use the new �AlienFFI framework to comunicate with curl.
> > Or reify any C library you want in Pharo.
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> >
> > On May 22, 2009, at 5:04 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
> >
> >> The most recent post on the crytography mailing list starts out as
> >> follows:
> >>
> >> Since the Cryptography Team doesn't exists anymore, the
> >> Cryptography package is not maintained by anyone. The SSL
> >> implementation doesn't allow easy debugging, you can't just turn on
> >> logging to see what's happening. Following the state machine
> >> transitions should give you the answer why the handshake isn't
> >> succeding. It might be related to certificates or TLS->SSL3
> >> fallback. If I were you, I would go with curl.
> >> I think it is time to write a wrapper around open SSL in addition
> >> to looking at the curl plugin. �Trying to write cryptography code
> >> from scratch and get and keep it right is a huge effort, and pretty
> >> avoidable, and IMHO, better avoided by letting others do the job.
> >> Ever read Sun Tzu?
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr
> >> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:51 PM
> >> To: Pharo Development
> >> Subject: [Pharo-project] Port of Cryptography to Pharo
> >>
> >> I don't know if there is anyone of the developers of the package
> >> Cryptography but is someone is willing to do the port of it to
> >> Pharo? Most tests are break and it seems not to work because lots
> >> of �Cryptography methods where in classes like SmallInteger and
> >> these methods were removed in Pharo.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Mariano
> >> <ATT00001.txt>
> >
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