James,

Nice to hear that you are still pushing. I would love to be able to developed in Pharo and deployed on red.��
Noury is working on the same scenario for PharoJS.��

May be we should organise a skype with Guille because we can use his infrastructure (hespel) to create out of Pharo automatically��
a kernel for Red.��

Guille has an infrastructure Hespel (check his phd) to��
- bootstrap different kernels such as Candlelight, microsqueak..��
- tailor application (you give a seed expression and it collects all the mandatory methods and classes) probably like spoon

He bootstrapped different small kernels during his phd.��
In tornado the tailoring version of Hespel we can create imae that are as small as 12k :)

We put a list of the class in a techreport.��https://hal.inria.fr/hal-00996908

In Pharo 70 we will use in production a bootstrap kernel: basically Pharo core with some better handled mechanisms (such as the startup)
We should remove the traits from class/metaclasses to gain some space.��
Now our goal for this version is not to have the smallest core but a full process based on a bootstrap image.��
We shuffled/repackaged many classes around and we will continue to cut spurious dependencies.��

Stef




On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:50 PM, James Ladd <ladd.james@gmail.com> wrote:
I'll check it out.
The version I remember was black n white.


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> On 31 Dec 2016, at 9:04 pm, Stefan Marr <smalltalk@stefan-marr.de> wrote:
>
> Hi James:
>
>> On 30 Dec 2016, at 22:50, James Ladd <ladd.james@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I even tried to find the old Potatoe Smalltalk which was a port of an old Smalltalk-80 image as it had a working ide and yet the smallest count of classes.
>
> Did you find it?
> https://news.squeak.org/2008/07/07/potato-version-of-jsqueak-from-hpi/
>
> Best regards
> Stefan
>
>
> --
> Stefan Marr
> Johannes Kepler Universit��t Linz
> http://stefan-marr.de/research/
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>