On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:33 PM, <csrabak@bol.com.br> wrote:

Em 30/12/2010 19:56, St�phane Ducasse < stephane.ducasse@inria.fr > escreveu:

> Hi guys
> �I think that over the years I �(but also many of you, I know) tried
> to expose newbies to smalltalk or our culture. �And often we get bad
> reactions, bad windows, �bad colors, slow, why not �in svn, ..... �I

Those specific reactions are more likely to be about Squeak of Pharo
than Smalltalk in general, isn't?

> think that �showing Smalltalk to �newbies is the �best we can �do to
> ourselves, not really to attract new �people but also to get a large
> kick in the �%^&* because most of the time �students are not stupid,
> they are exposed �to other technos.

Yes. They make an excellent litmus test without the risks of expending
lots of money in the 'launching of product' which can become an Edsel
of the programming languages...

> So each time �we believe we want
> to show �them something cool and �they do not really �consider it as
> cool as we believe, we can of course think that they are idiot (some
> of them are) but �most of the time we can also �think that may be we
> stayed too long in our �little boxes and the world moved (interfaced
> well �with �c, fast, �cool �frameworks, �has �cool tools, �processes
> (integration...), cool �UIs, web stuff.....).

Indeed.

> So each time �we get
> down because �we do not see the �little flame opening in �the yes of
> the others we can think hard and get from them what we missed.

I believe this is the first step to get the best direction to follow.

> �I really �happy to �get exposed �to student acid �tests, this �is a
> valuable feedback and I wanted to share that with you.

Stef, now comes the rub: do you think it is possible to systematize
the lessons learned and post a summary for us here?

Perhaps we should open a specific Wiki page on this?

Regards,

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Cesar Rabak