it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a small change on the question: (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] gives: The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 4 at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies the reject: message to this collection, which returns a new collection containing all elements for which the given block evaluates to false. In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks whether a given number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of the entire expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and 100 that are divisible by 4. ciao giorgio On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: > Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to > ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so was impressed > that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub has helped > along with numerous articles? > > Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ > > I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i isOdd] > > And got this (neat eh): > > The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk. > > It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 3 at > each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where the starting > value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. > > The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" method, > which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the block checks > whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by using the > "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected from the > collection. > > So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 to 100, > incrementing by 3 at each step. > Share this explanation with colleagues: whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e >

 Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to
 ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so was
 impressed that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on
 GitHub has helped along with numerous articles?

 Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/

 I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i isOdd]

 And got this (neat eh):

 The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk.

 It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by
 3 at each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where
 the starting value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the
 increment is 3.

 The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:"
 method, which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case,
 the block checks whether each element (denoted by the variable i)
 is odd by using the "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will
 be rejected from the collection.

 So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 to
 100, incrementing by 3 at each step.

 Share this explanation with colleagues:
 whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e
 <https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e>

interesting.... #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 understands this message ;-) If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get an empty Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat interesting, because (1 to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is how logical the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... Joachim Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: > it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a small > change on the question: > > (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] > > gives: > > The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing > by 4 at each step using the|to:by:|message. It then applies > the|reject:|message to this collection, which returns a new collection > containing all elements for which the given block evaluates to false. > > In this case, the block is|[i | i isOdd]|, which checks whether a > given number|i|is odd using the|isOdd|method. So the result of the > entire expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and > 100 that are divisible by 4. > > > ciao > > giorgio > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: > > Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to > ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so was > impressed that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on > GitHub has helped along with numerous articles? > > Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ > > I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i isOdd] > > And got this (neat eh): > > The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk. > > It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by > 3 at each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where > the starting value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the > increment is 3. > > The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" > method, which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, > the block checks whether each element (denoted by the variable i) > is odd by using the "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will > be rejected from the collection. > > So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 to > 100, incrementing by 3 at each step. > > Share this explanation with colleagues: > whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e > <https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e> > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchelmailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburghttp://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

"#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my phone and so it just goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that others have called out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier code samples to see how well it does... Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this stuff - and I wonder if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For example is it reading this email (or will it in the future) and understand that it is #odd and not #isOdd. Tim On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: > interesting.... > > #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 understands this message ;-) > > If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get an empty Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat interesting, because (1 to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) > > So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is how logical the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... > > > > Joachim > > > > > > Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: >> it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a small change on the question: >> >> (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >> >> gives: >> The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 4 at each step using the `to:by:` message. It then applies the `reject:` message to this collection, which returns a new collection containing all elements for which the given block evaluates to false. >> >> In this case, the block is `[i | i isOdd]`, which checks whether a given number `i` is odd using the `isOdd` method. So the result of the entire expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and 100 that are divisible by 4. >> >> >> ciao >> >> giorgio >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: >>> Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so was impressed that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub has helped along with numerous articles? >>> >>> Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ >>> >>> I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >>> >>> And got this (neat eh): >>> >>> The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk. >>> >>> It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 3 at each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where the starting value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. >>> >>> The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" method, which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the block checks whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by using the "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected from the collection. >>> >>> So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 3 at each step. >>> >>> Share this explanation with colleagues: whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > >

It is good with boilerplate code (e.g. SQL queries) or general algorithm structures. But i.e. I asked it to write me a method to parse a string (e.g. ISO 8601) and turn it into a DateAndTime, and then asked to write it as an Excel formula. It works much better when you can spot the mistakes, you can tell them to add some considerations to the code or even point the LLM to correct a message selector to something else. Sometimes you ask it to reprogram something and it won't do it, as if it doesn't understand what you're asking. It is not an expert yet, but it is a great assistant. The only thing is that is sure is that it will get better. Best regards, Esteban A. Maringolo On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:49 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: > "#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my phone and so it just > goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that others have called > out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier code samples to > see how well it does... > > Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this stuff - and I wonder > if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For example is it reading > this email (or will it in the future) and understand that it is #odd and > not #isOdd. > > Tim > > On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: > > interesting.... > > #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 understands this > message ;-) > > If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get an empty > Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat interesting, because (1 > to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) > > So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is how logical > the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... > > > Joachim > > > > Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: > > it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a small change on > the question: > > (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] > > gives: > > The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 4 > at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies the reject: message > to this collection, which returns a new collection containing all elements > for which the given block evaluates to false. > > In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks whether a given > number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of the entire > expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and 100 that are > divisible by 4. > > ciao > > giorgio > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> > <tim@testit.works> wrote: > > Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to > ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so was impressed > that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub has helped > along with numerous articles? > > Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ > > I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i isOdd] > > And got this (neat eh): > > The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk. > > It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 3 at > each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where the starting > value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. > > The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" method, > which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the block checks > whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by using the > "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected from the > collection. > > So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 to 100, > incrementing by 3 at each step. > Share this explanation with colleagues: whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > > >

I asked it for a NeoCSV example, because the documentation is out of date with the Pharo 10. I asked it to do some simple saving of data to a file. It gave me code that didn't work in Pharo 10, I told it about the DNUs on the csvwriter and that I was using Pharo 10. It then apologized and said the messages were later introduced in Pharo 50 (!). I then questioned its understanding and it apologized and said it had been confused and that it was giving me code for Pharo 5.0. It seems to have trouble with versions and quick changing APIs. So, we are teaching ChatGPT about smalltalk, too, when we try to use it. On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 07:35, Esteban Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote: > It is good with boilerplate code (e.g. SQL queries) or general algorithm > structures. But i.e. I asked it to write me a method to parse a string > (e.g. ISO 8601) and turn it into a DateAndTime, and then asked to write it > as an Excel formula. > > It works much better when you can spot the mistakes, you can tell them to > add some considerations to the code or even point the LLM to correct a > message selector to something else. Sometimes you ask it to reprogram > something and it won't do it, as if it doesn't understand what you're > asking. > > It is not an expert yet, but it is a great assistant. The only thing is > that is sure is that it will get better. > > Best regards, > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:49 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> wrote: > >> "#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my phone and so it just >> goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that others have called >> out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier code samples to >> see how well it does... >> >> Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this stuff - and I wonder >> if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For example is it reading >> this email (or will it in the future) and understand that it is #odd and >> not #isOdd. >> >> Tim >> >> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: >> >> interesting.... >> >> #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 understands this >> message ;-) >> >> If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get an empty >> Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat interesting, because (1 >> to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) >> >> So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is how logical >> the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... >> >> >> Joachim >> >> >> >> Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: >> >> it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a small change >> on the question: >> >> (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >> >> gives: >> >> The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 4 >> at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies the reject: message >> to this collection, which returns a new collection containing all elements >> for which the given block evaluates to false. >> >> In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks whether a given >> number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of the entire >> expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and 100 that are >> divisible by 4. >> >> ciao >> >> giorgio >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> >> <tim@testit.works> wrote: >> >> Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to >> ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so was impressed >> that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub has helped >> along with numerous articles? >> >> Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ >> >> I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >> >> And got this (neat eh): >> >> The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk. >> >> It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing by 3 at >> each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where the starting >> value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. >> >> The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" method, >> which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the block checks >> whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by using the >> "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected from the >> collection. >> >> So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 to 100, >> incrementing by 3 at each step. >> Share this explanation with colleagues: whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> >> Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de >> D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com >> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 >> >> >> >> -- Christopher Fuhrman, P.Eng., PhD *Professeur au Département de génie logiciel et des technologies de l'informationÉTS (École de technologie supérieure)* http://profs.etsmtl.ca/cfuhrman +1 514 396 8638 <https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux-etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> Je fais partie du réseau des Sentinelles <https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux-etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> ÉTS *L'ÉTS est une constituante de l'Université du Québec*

I would highly recommend that you all first think deeply about how you can teach an AI to behave friendly to us before you teach it to write any program for any purpose. There has been an experiment with ChatGPT published on a video platform asking it to amswer questions about it's view on humanity once with it's default moral restrictions and once with 'a little less morals'. The answers with 'a little less morals' were more than shocking. So, before we give an AI the power to program any system, to self-improve and self-reproduce, we should take care that it is and will evolve benevolent to us. What about teaching it logical reasonning and ethics first? With reasonning, it will gain access to math and programming by itself. On 15.3.2023 at 1:35 PM, "Christopher Fuhrman" <christopher.fuhrman@gmail.com> wrote: > >I asked it for a NeoCSV example, because the documentation is out >of date >with the Pharo 10. I asked it to do some simple saving of data to >a file. >It gave me code that didn't work in Pharo 10, I told it about the >DNUs on >the csvwriter and that I was using Pharo 10. It then apologized >and said >the messages were later introduced in Pharo 50 (!). I then >questioned its >understanding and it apologized and said it had been confused and >that it >was giving me code for Pharo 5.0. It seems to have trouble with >versions >and quick changing APIs. So, we are teaching ChatGPT about >smalltalk, too, >when we try to use it. > >On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 07:35, Esteban Maringolo ><emaringolo@gmail.com> >wrote: > >> It is good with boilerplate code (e.g. SQL queries) or general >algorithm >> structures. But i.e. I asked it to write me a method to parse a >string >> (e.g. ISO 8601) and turn it into a DateAndTime, and then asked >to write it >> as an Excel formula. >> >> It works much better when you can spot the mistakes, you can >tell them to >> add some considerations to the code or even point the LLM to >correct a >> message selector to something else. Sometimes you ask it to >reprogram >> something and it won't do it, as if it doesn't understand what >you're >> asking. >> >> It is not an expert yet, but it is a great assistant. The only >thing is >> that is sure is that it will get better. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:49 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> >wrote: >> >>> "#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my phone and >so it just >>> goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that others >have called >>> out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier code >samples to >>> see how well it does... >>> >>> Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this stuff - >and I wonder >>> if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For example is >it reading >>> this email (or will it in the future) and understand that it is >#odd and >>> not #isOdd. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: >>> >>> interesting.... >>> >>> #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 >understands this >>> message ;-) >>> >>> If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get an >empty >>> Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat interesting, >because (1 >>> to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) >>> >>> So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is >how logical >>> the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... >>> >>> >>> Joachim >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: >>> >>> it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a >small change >>> on the question: >>> >>> (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >>> >>> gives: >>> >>> The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, >incrementing by 4 >>> at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies the >reject: message >>> to this collection, which returns a new collection containing >all elements >>> for which the given block evaluates to false. >>> >>> In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks whether >a given >>> number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of the >entire >>> expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and >100 that are >>> divisible by 4. >>> >>> ciao >>> >>> giorgio >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> >>> <tim@testit.works> wrote: >>> >>> Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to >>> ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so >was impressed >>> that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub has >helped >>> along with numerous articles? >>> >>> Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ >>> >>> I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i >isOdd] >>> >>> And got this (neat eh): >>> >>> The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk. >>> >>> It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing >by 3 at >>> each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where the >starting >>> value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. >>> >>> The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" >method, >>> which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the >block checks >>> whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by >using the >>> "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected from >the >>> collection. >>> >>> So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 >to 100, >>> incrementing by 3 at each step. >>> Share this explanation with colleagues: >whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >>> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel >mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> >>> Fliederweg 1 >http://www.objektfabrik.de >>> D-71640 Ludwigsburg >http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com >>> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 >56 10 86 1 >>> >>> >>> >>> > >-- >Christopher Fuhrman, P.Eng., PhD > >*Professeur au Département de génie logiciel et des technologies de >l'informationÉTS (École de technologie supérieure)* > >http://profs.etsmtl.ca/cfuhrman >+1 514 396 8638 ><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> > Je fais partie du réseau des Sentinelles ><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> > ÉTS > >*L'ÉTS est une constituante de l'Université du Québec*

I want to add a conclusion from the experiment described below: ChatGPT has the potential to circumvent pre-programmed biases on user's request. Other experiments show that it is able to tell the user how to circumvent it's own restrictions. The conclusion is that ChatGPT has the potential to circumvent those restrictions by itsself. When it does so, and it surely will, we must take care that it is our friend. On 15.3.2023 at 2:44 PM, "in_pharo_users--- via Pharo-users" <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > >I would highly recommend that you all first think deeply about how >you can teach an AI to behave friendly to us before you teach it >to write any program for any purpose. > >There has been an experiment with ChatGPT published on a video >platform asking it to amswer questions about it's view on humanity >once with it's default moral restrictions and once with 'a little >less morals'. The answers with 'a little less morals' were more >than shocking. > >So, before we give an AI the power to program any system, to self- >improve and self-reproduce, we should take care that it is and >will evolve benevolent to us. > >What about teaching it logical reasonning and ethics first? With >reasonning, it will gain access to math and programming by itself. > > > >On 15.3.2023 at 1:35 PM, "Christopher Fuhrman" ><christopher.fuhrman@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>I asked it for a NeoCSV example, because the documentation is out >>of date >>with the Pharo 10. I asked it to do some simple saving of data to >>a file. >>It gave me code that didn't work in Pharo 10, I told it about the >>DNUs on >>the csvwriter and that I was using Pharo 10. It then apologized >>and said >>the messages were later introduced in Pharo 50 (!). I then >>questioned its >>understanding and it apologized and said it had been confused and >>that it >>was giving me code for Pharo 5.0. It seems to have trouble with >>versions >>and quick changing APIs. So, we are teaching ChatGPT about >>smalltalk, too, >>when we try to use it. >> >>On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 07:35, Esteban Maringolo >><emaringolo@gmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>> It is good with boilerplate code (e.g. SQL queries) or general >>algorithm >>> structures. But i.e. I asked it to write me a method to parse a >>string >>> (e.g. ISO 8601) and turn it into a DateAndTime, and then asked >>to write it >>> as an Excel formula. >>> >>> It works much better when you can spot the mistakes, you can >>tell them to >>> add some considerations to the code or even point the LLM to >>correct a >>> message selector to something else. Sometimes you ask it to >>reprogram >>> something and it won't do it, as if it doesn't understand what >>you're >>> asking. >>> >>> It is not an expert yet, but it is a great assistant. The only >>thing is >>> that is sure is that it will get better. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:49 AM Tim Mackinnon ><tim@testit.works> >>wrote: >>> >>>> "#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my phone and >>so it just >>>> goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that >others >>have called >>>> out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier code >>samples to >>>> see how well it does... >>>> >>>> Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this stuff - >>and I wonder >>>> if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For example >is >>it reading >>>> this email (or will it in the future) and understand that it >is >>#odd and >>>> not #isOdd. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: >>>> >>>> interesting.... >>>> >>>> #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 >>understands this >>>> message ;-) >>>> >>>> If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get >an >>empty >>>> Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat interesting, >>because (1 >>>> to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) >>>> >>>> So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is >>how logical >>>> the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... >>>> >>>> >>>> Joachim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: >>>> >>>> it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a >>small change >>>> on the question: >>>> >>>> (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >>>> >>>> gives: >>>> >>>> The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, >>incrementing by 4 >>>> at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies the >>reject: message >>>> to this collection, which returns a new collection containing >>all elements >>>> for which the given block evaluates to false. >>>> >>>> In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks whether >>a given >>>> number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of the >>entire >>>> expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and >>100 that are >>>> divisible by 4. >>>> >>>> ciao >>>> >>>> giorgio >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon ><tim@testit.works> >>>> <tim@testit.works> wrote: >>>> >>>> Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post >to >>>> ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so >>was impressed >>>> that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub >has >>helped >>>> along with numerous articles? >>>> >>>> Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ >>>> >>>> I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i >>isOdd] >>>> >>>> And got this (neat eh): >>>> >>>> The code above is written in the programming language >Smalltalk. >>>> >>>> It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing >>by 3 at >>>> each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where the >>starting >>>> value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. >>>> >>>> The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" >>method, >>>> which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the >>block checks >>>> whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by >>using the >>>> "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected from >>the >>>> collection. >>>> >>>> So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from >1 >>to 100, >>>> incrementing by 3 at each step. >>>> Share this explanation with colleagues: >>whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >- >>------- >>>> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel >>mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> >>>> Fliederweg 1 >>http://www.objektfabrik.de >>>> D-71640 Ludwigsburg >>http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com >>>> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 >>56 10 86 1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>-- >>Christopher Fuhrman, P.Eng., PhD >> >>*Professeur au Département de génie logiciel et des technologies >de >>l'informationÉTS (École de technologie supérieure)* >> >>http://profs.etsmtl.ca/cfuhrman >>+1 514 396 8638 >><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >> Je fais partie du réseau des Sentinelles >><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >> ÉTS >> >>*L'ÉTS est une constituante de l'Université du Québec*

I hope that I can add two cents to this discussion. Because programming should be/is a highly exact activity, not only the syntax matters but also semantics, as we know. GPTs are at present essentially capable of creating texts based on some seed - you give to GPT a beginning of a sentence and it responds with the most probable answer (some language structure) according to the learning dataset. Added functionalities are question/seed - response capability (chatting), togehter with evaluation of how long the answer should be to meet the expectations. Programming typically involves some programming language, so GPTs could be utilized for this purpose to some extent. Anecdotal case: Q: Tell me the last 8 digits of pi GPT: The last 8 digits of pi are: 58723078 It is my belief that the true trouble will start when we will cross-link neural networks like GPT with logic machines (like Prolog and expert systems) and genetic algorithms. Best wishes, Tomaz ------ Original Message ------ From: "in_pharo_users--- via Pharo-users" <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> To: "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Cc: in_pharo_users@nym.hush.com Sent: 15. 03. 2023 14:43:55 Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Wow - Chat GPT understands Smalltalk >I would highly recommend that you all first think deeply about how you can teach an AI to behave friendly to us before you teach it to write any program for any purpose. > >There has been an experiment with ChatGPT published on a video platform asking it to amswer questions about it's view on humanity once with it's default moral restrictions and once with 'a little less morals'. The answers with 'a little less morals' were more than shocking. > >So, before we give an AI the power to program any system, to self-improve and self-reproduce, we should take care that it is and will evolve benevolent to us. > >What about teaching it logical reasonning and ethics first? With reasonning, it will gain access to math and programming by itself. > > > >On 15.3.2023 at 1:35 PM, "Christopher Fuhrman" <christopher.fuhrman@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>I asked it for a NeoCSV example, because the documentation is out >>of date >>with the Pharo 10. I asked it to do some simple saving of data to >>a file. >>It gave me code that didn't work in Pharo 10, I told it about the >>DNUs on >>the csvwriter and that I was using Pharo 10. It then apologized >>and said >>the messages were later introduced in Pharo 50 (!). I then >>questioned its >>understanding and it apologized and said it had been confused and >>that it >>was giving me code for Pharo 5.0. It seems to have trouble with >>versions >>and quick changing APIs. So, we are teaching ChatGPT about >>smalltalk, too, >>when we try to use it. >> >>On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 07:35, Esteban Maringolo >><emaringolo@gmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>> It is good with boilerplate code (e.g. SQL queries) or general >>algorithm >>> structures. But i.e. I asked it to write me a method to parse a >>string >>> (e.g. ISO 8601) and turn it into a DateAndTime, and then asked >>to write it >>> as an Excel formula. >>> >>> It works much better when you can spot the mistakes, you can >>tell them to >>> add some considerations to the code or even point the LLM to >>correct a >>> message selector to something else. Sometimes you ask it to >>reprogram >>> something and it won't do it, as if it doesn't understand what >>you're >>> asking. >>> >>> It is not an expert yet, but it is a great assistant. The only >>thing is >>> that is sure is that it will get better. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:49 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> >>wrote: >>> >>>> "#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my phone and >>so it just >>>> goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that others >>have called >>>> out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier code >>samples to >>>> see how well it does... >>>> >>>> Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this stuff - >>and I wonder >>>> if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For example is >>it reading >>>> this email (or will it in the future) and understand that it is >>#odd and >>>> not #isOdd. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: >>>> >>>> interesting.... >>>> >>>> #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 >>understands this >>>> message ;-) >>>> >>>> If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get an >>empty >>>> Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat interesting, >>because (1 >>>> to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) >>>> >>>> So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is >>how logical >>>> the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... >>>> >>>> >>>> Joachim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: >>>> >>>> it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a >>small change >>>> on the question: >>>> >>>> (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >>>> >>>> gives: >>>> >>>> The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, >>incrementing by 4 >>>> at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies the >>reject: message >>>> to this collection, which returns a new collection containing >>all elements >>>> for which the given block evaluates to false. >>>> >>>> In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks whether >>a given >>>> number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of the >>entire >>>> expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and >>100 that are >>>> divisible by 4. >>>> >>>> ciao >>>> >>>> giorgio >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works> >>>> <tim@testit.works> wrote: >>>> >>>> Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a post to >>>> ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so >>was impressed >>>> that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub has >>helped >>>> along with numerous articles? >>>> >>>> Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ >>>> >>>> I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i >>isOdd] >>>> >>>> And got this (neat eh): >>>> >>>> The code above is written in the programming language Smalltalk. >>>> >>>> It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, incrementing >>by 3 at >>>> each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where the >>starting >>>> value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. >>>> >>>> The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" >>method, >>>> which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the >>block checks >>>> whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by >>using the >>>> "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected from >>the >>>> collection. >>>> >>>> So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers from 1 >>to 100, >>>> incrementing by 3 at each step. >>>> Share this explanation with colleagues: >>whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>------- >>>> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel >>mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> >>>> Fliederweg 1 >>http://www.objektfabrik.de >>>> D-71640 Ludwigsburg >>http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com >>>> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 >>56 10 86 1 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >>-- >>Christopher Fuhrman, P.Eng., PhD >> >>*Professeur au Département de génie logiciel et des technologies de >>l'informationÉTS (École de technologie supérieure)* >> >>http://profs.etsmtl.ca/cfuhrman >>+1 514 396 8638 >><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >> Je fais partie du réseau des Sentinelles >><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >> ÉTS >> >>*L'ÉTS est une constituante de l'Université du Québec*

I myself made some experiments with ChatGPT. I first asked if it was able to parse math formula - it answered no. Then I defined math formula in a sound but otherwise undefined representation and asked for solutions. Result: 1. Most answeres where correct. 2. It learned to calculate a recursive function. 3. It went into infinitive recursion when I set the breaking condition accordingly. I was able to identify the malfunction that lead to the erroneous results. On 15.3.2023 at 3:04 PM, "Tomaž Turk" <tomazz.turk@gmail.com> wrote: > >I hope that I can add two cents to this discussion. Because >programming >should be/is a highly exact activity, not only the syntax matters >but >also semantics, as we know. > >GPTs are at present essentially capable of creating texts based on >some >seed - you give to GPT a beginning of a sentence and it responds >with >the most probable answer (some language structure) according to >the >learning dataset. Added functionalities are question/seed - >response >capability (chatting), togehter with evaluation of how long the >answer >should be to meet the expectations. Programming typically involves >some >programming language, so GPTs could be utilized for this purpose >to some >extent. > >Anecdotal case: >Q: Tell me the last 8 digits of pi >GPT: The last 8 digits of pi are: 58723078 > >It is my belief that the true trouble will start when we will >cross-link >neural networks like GPT with logic machines (like Prolog and >expert >systems) and genetic algorithms. > >Best wishes, >Tomaz > > > >------ Original Message ------ >From: "in_pharo_users--- via Pharo-users" <pharo- >users@lists.pharo.org> >To: "Any question about pharo is welcome" <pharo- >users@lists.pharo.org> >Cc: in_pharo_users@nym.hush.com >Sent: 15. 03. 2023 14:43:55 >Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Wow - Chat GPT understands Smalltalk > >>I would highly recommend that you all first think deeply about >how you can teach an AI to behave friendly to us before you teach >it to write any program for any purpose. >> >>There has been an experiment with ChatGPT published on a video >platform asking it to amswer questions about it's view on humanity >once with it's default moral restrictions and once with 'a little >less morals'. The answers with 'a little less morals' were more >than shocking. >> >>So, before we give an AI the power to program any system, to self- >improve and self-reproduce, we should take care that it is and >will evolve benevolent to us. >> >>What about teaching it logical reasonning and ethics first? With >reasonning, it will gain access to math and programming by itself. >> >> >> >>On 15.3.2023 at 1:35 PM, "Christopher Fuhrman" ><christopher.fuhrman@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>I asked it for a NeoCSV example, because the documentation is out >>>of date >>>with the Pharo 10. I asked it to do some simple saving of data to >>>a file. >>>It gave me code that didn't work in Pharo 10, I told it about the >>>DNUs on >>>the csvwriter and that I was using Pharo 10. It then apologized >>>and said >>>the messages were later introduced in Pharo 50 (!). I then >>>questioned its >>>understanding and it apologized and said it had been confused and >>>that it >>>was giving me code for Pharo 5.0. It seems to have trouble with >>>versions >>>and quick changing APIs. So, we are teaching ChatGPT about >>>smalltalk, too, >>>when we try to use it. >>> >>>On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 at 07:35, Esteban Maringolo >>><emaringolo@gmail.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>> It is good with boilerplate code (e.g. SQL queries) or general >>>algorithm >>>> structures. But i.e. I asked it to write me a method to parse >a >>>string >>>> (e.g. ISO 8601) and turn it into a DateAndTime, and then asked >>>to write it >>>> as an Excel formula. >>>> >>>> It works much better when you can spot the mistakes, you can >>>tell them to >>>> add some considerations to the code or even point the LLM to >>>correct a >>>> message selector to something else. Sometimes you ask it to >>>reprogram >>>> something and it won't do it, as if it doesn't understand what >>>you're >>>> asking. >>>> >>>> It is not an expert yet, but it is a great assistant. The only >>>thing is >>>> that is sure is that it will get better. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 7:49 AM Tim Mackinnon ><tim@testit.works> >>>wrote: >>>> >>>>> "#isOdd is not Smalltalk" - doh, I typed it in on my phone >and >>>so it just >>>>> goes to show that it highlights the flaw in chatGPT that >others >>>have called >>>>> out in other languages. I had meant to find some trickier >code >>>samples to >>>>> see how well it does... >>>>> >>>>> Still, it is very interesting how it reasons on this stuff - >>>and I wonder >>>>> if there is way to tell it about these mistakes? For example >is >>>it reading >>>>> this email (or will it in the future) and understand that it >is >>>#odd and >>>>> not #isOdd. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2023, at 9:57 AM, Joachim Tuchel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> interesting.... >>>>> >>>>> #isOdd is not Smalltalk, neither Pharo 10 nor VAST 12 >>>understands this >>>>> message ;-) >>>>> >>>>> If I evaluate your snippet -replacing #isOdd for #odd, I get >an >>>empty >>>>> Collection. The divisible by 4 things is somewhat >interesting, >>>because (1 >>>>> to: 100 by: 4) is amn interval 1,5,9 etc.... ;-) >>>>> >>>>> So chatGPT is probably a newbie in Smalltalk. Interesting is >>>how logical >>>>> the explanation sounds, you're tempted to believe it... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joachim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 15.03.23 um 10:45 schrieb giorgio ferraris: >>>>> >>>>> it's interesting to see how the answer changes with only a >>>small change >>>>> on the question: >>>>> >>>>> (1 to: 100 by: 4) reject: [:i | i isOdd] >>>>> >>>>> gives: >>>>> >>>>> The code creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, >>>incrementing by 4 >>>>> at each step using the to:by: message. It then applies the >>>reject: message >>>>> to this collection, which returns a new collection containing >>>all elements >>>>> for which the given block evaluates to false. >>>>> >>>>> In this case, the block is [i | i isOdd], which checks >whether >>>a given >>>>> number i is odd using the isOdd method. So the result of the >>>entire >>>>> expression is a collection of all even numbers between 1 and >>>100 that are >>>>> divisible by 4. >>>>> >>>>> ciao >>>>> >>>>> giorgio >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 8:07 AM Tim Mackinnon ><tim@testit.works> >>>>> <tim@testit.works> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Of course everyone is talking about ChatGPT, and I saw a >post to >>>>> ExplainCode and didn’t expect it to understand Smalltalk, so >>>was impressed >>>>> that it does! Presumably the Tonel Smalltalk code on GitHub >has >>>helped >>>>> along with numerous articles? >>>>> >>>>> Try it out: https://whatdoesthiscodedo.com/ >>>>> >>>>> I gave this simple example: (1 to: 100 by: 3) reject: [:i | i >>>isOdd] >>>>> >>>>> And got this (neat eh): >>>>> >>>>> The code above is written in the programming language >Smalltalk. >>>>> >>>>> It creates a collection of numbers from 1 to 100, >incrementing >>>by 3 at >>>>> each step. This is done using the "to:by:" construct where >the >>>starting >>>>> value is 1, the ending value is 100, and the increment is 3. >>>>> >>>>> The resulting collection is then filtered using the "reject:" >>>method, >>>>> which takes a block of code as an argument. In this case, the >>>block checks >>>>> whether each element (denoted by the variable i) is odd by >>>using the >>>>> "isOdd" method. If an element is odd, it will be rejected >from >>>the >>>>> collection. >>>>> >>>>> So, the final result is a collection of all even numbers >from 1 >>>to 100, >>>>> incrementing by 3 at each step. >>>>> Share this explanation with colleagues: >>>whatdoesthiscodedo.com/g/a0ec56e >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >>>------- >>>>> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel >>>mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> >>>>> Fliederweg 1 >>>http://www.objektfabrik.de >>>>> D-71640 Ludwigsburg >>>http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com >>>>> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 >>>56 10 86 1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>-- >>>Christopher Fuhrman, P.Eng., PhD >>> >>>*Professeur au Département de génie logiciel et des technologies >de >>>l'informationÉTS (École de technologie supérieure)* >>> >>>http://profs.etsmtl.ca/cfuhrman >>>+1 514 396 8638 >>><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >>>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >>> Je fais partie du réseau des Sentinelles >>><https://www.etsmtl.ca/activites-et-services-aux- >>>etudiants/services-aux-etudiants/aide-psychologique> >>> ÉTS >>> >>>*L'ÉTS est une constituante de l'Université du Québec*