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Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted...

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Davide Varvello
Mon, May 13, 2024 9:15 AM

Switch version is never pain free.
Davide

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:05:39 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote:

I understand.
Can you tell us what is blocking you to switch versions?

You should know that we did an amazing amount of job fixing a lot of glitches and improving  
Pharo over the last two years. 

Would you be interested in a special support for Pharo10 and at which price? Because we were thinking
about a LTS for Pharo but this is not free :).

Have fun. 

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:26:02 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote: 

Not really. Did you check in Pharo 12? 

No, I can't switch Pharo version and I don't think is so uncommon to stay on a stable version for a while.
Davide 

We got too busy on more important issues.

S

On 9 May 2024, at 11:43, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users pharo-users@lists.pharo.org wrote:

Hi Guys,

Any news about this issue? It's happening also to me.

Cheers
Davide

  
  
  On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:03:43 AM GMT+1, Mark O'Donoghue mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Stephane
   
Many thanks for following up on the issue with the extra comment tab in the System Browser.
   
As requested, I have included more information below:
   
Versions
Over the last few days, I have seen the issue in
Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.536.sha.2314c3f457171dcde477ff6575b578835f1fd519 (64 Bit)
I believe this is the latest stable P10 release for Windows 64.
It was created as a new image via Pharo Launcher version: 3.0.1
   
Previously I was using
Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.515.sha.b18847fed2389428342d35b0056824644a1ce5fe (64 Bit)
And I was getting the normal comment tab behaviour.
I still can see that when I fire up that old image.
   
Background
I had not used Pharo since July 2022, and before resuming work I decided to create a fresh new P10 image to work with.
Using the launcher, I created a new image based on the Pharo 10 (stable) image. And of course it updated the Windows 64 VM as well for me.
I then reloaded my code base and started work. Pretty soon I noticed the odd behaviour with the System Browser.
I then posed the question on discord for guidance.
   
Since then, I tried to simplify the issue by creating another new image based on Pharo 10 (stable).
This time I didn’t make any changes, alter settings, or loading any code or libraries.
I checked the simple image and verified that the System Browser issue was happening.
Because this is just the ‘vanilla’ image, unchanged by me, I a hoping it will be easy to verify this behaviour at your end…
   
   
Cheers and regards
Mark
Perth, Western Australia
   
From: stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 10:43 PMTo: Any question about pharo is welcome pharo-users@lists.pharo.orgSubject: [Pharo-users] Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted - has anyone else seen this? Pharo 10 stable image - windows 64 - all reloaded recently...
   
Hi mark 
   
Which version of Pharo are you using?
In P11 I saw some regressions.
S

On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:30, mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com wrote:
   

   

Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
06 30 93 66 73

"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes

Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
06 30 93 66 73

"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes

Switch version is never pain free. Davide On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:05:39 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: I understand. Can you tell us what is blocking you to switch versions? You should know that we did an amazing amount of job fixing a lot of glitches and improving   Pharo over the last two years.  Would you be interested in a special support for Pharo10 and at which price? Because we were thinking about a LTS for Pharo but this is not free :). Have fun.  >> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:26:02 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:  > > >> Not really. Did you check in Pharo 12?  > > No, I can't switch Pharo version and I don't think is so uncommon to stay on a stable version for a while. > Davide  > > > >> We got too busy on more important issues. > >> S > > > > > >> On 9 May 2024, at 11:43, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> Any news about this issue? It's happening also to me. >> >> Cheers >> Davide >> >> >> >> >>    >>    >>   On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:03:43 AM GMT+1, Mark O'Donoghue <mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Stephane >>     >> Many thanks for following up on the issue with the extra comment tab in the System Browser. >>     >> As requested, I have included more information below: >>     >> Versions >> Over the last few days, I have seen the issue in >> Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.536.sha.2314c3f457171dcde477ff6575b578835f1fd519 (64 Bit) >> I believe this is the latest stable P10 release for Windows 64. >> It was created as a new image via Pharo Launcher version: 3.0.1 >>     >> Previously I was using >> Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.515.sha.b18847fed2389428342d35b0056824644a1ce5fe (64 Bit) >> And I was getting the normal comment tab behaviour. >> I still can see that when I fire up that old image. >>     >> Background >> I had not used Pharo since July 2022, and before resuming work I decided to create a fresh new P10 image to work with. >> Using the launcher, I created a new image based on the Pharo 10 (stable) image. And of course it updated the Windows 64 VM as well for me. >> I then reloaded my code base and started work. Pretty soon I noticed the odd behaviour with the System Browser. >> I then posed the question on discord for guidance. >>     >> Since then, I tried to simplify the issue by creating another new image based on Pharo 10 (stable). >> This time I didn’t make any changes, alter settings, or loading any code or libraries. >> I checked the simple image and verified that the System Browser issue was happening. >> Because this is just the ‘vanilla’ image, unchanged by me, I a hoping it will be easy to verify this behaviour at your end… >>     >>     >> Cheers and regards >> Mark >> Perth, Western Australia >>     >> From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 10:43 PMTo: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted - has anyone else seen this? Pharo 10 stable image - windows 64 - all reloaded recently... >>     >> Hi mark  >>     >> Which version of Pharo are you using? >> In P11 I saw some regressions. >> S >> >> >>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:30, mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com wrote: >>>     >>> >>     >> >> > > > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > 06 30 93 66 73 > > "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes > > > > > > Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes
SD
stephane ducasse
Mon, May 13, 2024 9:26 AM

we have the unique feature or rewriting deprecation
now this is true is this is why tests help a lot.
I migrate regularly all our software: microdown, pillar, moose and more.
And this is life.
Now do not expect that all the suddent Pharo 10 will improve and see bug fixed.
Even apple or microsoft or oracle do not support for free old versions.
And the fixed versions of P10 is called P11 and P12.

S

On 13 May 2024, at 05:15, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users pharo-users@lists.pharo.org wrote:

Switch version is never pain free.
Davide

On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:05:39 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote:

I understand.
Can you tell us what is blocking you to switch versions?

You should know that we did an amazing amount of job fixing a lot of glitches and improving
Pharo over the last two years.

Would you be interested in a special support for Pharo10 and at which price? Because we were thinking
about a LTS for Pharo but this is not free :).

Have fun.

On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:26:02 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote:

Not really. Did you check in Pharo 12?

No, I can't switch Pharo version and I don't think is so uncommon to stay on a stable version for a while.
Davide

We got too busy on more important issues.

S

On 9 May 2024, at 11:43, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users pharo-users@lists.pharo.org wrote:

Hi Guys,

Any news about this issue? It's happening also to me.

Cheers
Davide

On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:03:43 AM GMT+1, Mark O'Donoghue mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Stephane

Many thanks for following up on the issue with the extra comment tab in the System Browser.

As requested, I have included more information below:

Versions
Over the last few days, I have seen the issue in
Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.536.sha.2314c3f457171dcde477ff6575b578835f1fd519 (64 Bit)
I believe this is the latest stable P10 release for Windows 64.
It was created as a new image via Pharo Launcher version: 3.0.1

Previously I was using
Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.515.sha.b18847fed2389428342d35b0056824644a1ce5fe (64 Bit)
And I was getting the normal comment tab behaviour.
I still can see that when I fire up that old image.

Background
I had not used Pharo since July 2022, and before resuming work I decided to create a fresh new P10 image to work with.
Using the launcher, I created a new image based on the Pharo 10 (stable) image. And of course it updated the Windows 64 VM as well for me.
I then reloaded my code base and started work. Pretty soon I noticed the odd behaviour with the System Browser.
I then posed the question on discord for guidance.

Since then, I tried to simplify the issue by creating another new image based on Pharo 10 (stable).
This time I didn’t make any changes, alter settings, or loading any code or libraries.
I checked the simple image and verified that the System Browser issue was happening.
Because this is just the ‘vanilla’ image, unchanged by me, I a hoping it will be easy to verify this behaviour at your end…

Cheers and regards
Mark
Perth, Western Australia

From: stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 10:43 PMTo: Any question about pharo is welcome pharo-users@lists.pharo.orgSubject: [Pharo-users] Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted - has anyone else seen this? Pharo 10 stable image - windows 64 - all reloaded recently...

Hi mark

Which version of Pharo are you using?
In P11 I saw some regressions.
S

On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:30, mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com wrote:

Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
06 30 93 66 73

"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes

Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
06 30 93 66 73

"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes

Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr
06 30 93 66 73

"If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes

we have the unique feature or rewriting deprecation now this is true is this is why tests help a lot. I migrate regularly all our software: microdown, pillar, moose and more. And this is life. Now do not expect that all the suddent Pharo 10 will improve and see bug fixed. Even apple or microsoft or oracle do not support for free old versions. And the fixed versions of P10 is called P11 and P12. S > On 13 May 2024, at 05:15, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > Switch version is never pain free. > Davide > > > > > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2024 at 11:05:39 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: > > > > > > I understand. > Can you tell us what is blocking you to switch versions? > > > You should know that we did an amazing amount of job fixing a lot of glitches and improving > Pharo over the last two years. > > Would you be interested in a special support for Pharo10 and at which price? Because we were thinking > about a LTS for Pharo but this is not free :). > > Have fun. > > > >>> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:26:02 AM GMT+2, stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >>> Not really. Did you check in Pharo 12? >> >> No, I can't switch Pharo version and I don't think is so uncommon to stay on a stable version for a while. >> Davide >> >> >> >>> We got too busy on more important issues. >> >>> S >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 9 May 2024, at 11:43, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Guys, >>> >>> Any news about this issue? It's happening also to me. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Davide >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 07:03:43 AM GMT+1, Mark O'Donoghue <mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Stephane >>> >>> Many thanks for following up on the issue with the extra comment tab in the System Browser. >>> >>> As requested, I have included more information below: >>> >>> Versions >>> Over the last few days, I have seen the issue in >>> Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.536.sha.2314c3f457171dcde477ff6575b578835f1fd519 (64 Bit) >>> I believe this is the latest stable P10 release for Windows 64. >>> It was created as a new image via Pharo Launcher version: 3.0.1 >>> >>> Previously I was using >>> Build information: Pharo-10.0.0+build.515.sha.b18847fed2389428342d35b0056824644a1ce5fe (64 Bit) >>> And I was getting the normal comment tab behaviour. >>> I still can see that when I fire up that old image. >>> >>> Background >>> I had not used Pharo since July 2022, and before resuming work I decided to create a fresh new P10 image to work with. >>> Using the launcher, I created a new image based on the Pharo 10 (stable) image. And of course it updated the Windows 64 VM as well for me. >>> I then reloaded my code base and started work. Pretty soon I noticed the odd behaviour with the System Browser. >>> I then posed the question on discord for guidance. >>> >>> Since then, I tried to simplify the issue by creating another new image based on Pharo 10 (stable). >>> This time I didn’t make any changes, alter settings, or loading any code or libraries. >>> I checked the simple image and verified that the System Browser issue was happening. >>> Because this is just the ‘vanilla’ image, unchanged by me, I a hoping it will be easy to verify this behaviour at your end… >>> >>> >>> Cheers and regards >>> Mark >>> Perth, Western Australia >>> >>> From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2023 10:43 PMTo: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: The System Browser has recently started showing 2 comments tabs - one is text and one is formatted pretty. That seems odd and is not wanted - has anyone else seen this? Pharo 10 stable image - windows 64 - all reloaded recently... >>> >>> Hi mark >>> >>> Which version of Pharo are you using? >>> In P11 I saw some regressions. >>> S >>> >>> >>>> On 8 Jan 2023, at 14:30, mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr >> 06 30 93 66 73 >> >> "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > 06 30 93 66 73 > > "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes > > > > Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr 06 30 93 66 73 "If you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do differently? ....ESPECIALLY if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth.” Calvin & Hobbes