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Rene Paul Mages (ramix)
Tue, Aug 20, 2024 7:15 AM

Dear Pharo community,

At the beginning of this 2012-document  :

https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document

we can read the following sentence (page 4) :

    "Objects all the way down"

Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ?

--
All the best
Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7
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Dear Pharo community, At the beginning of this 2012-document : https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document we can read the following sentence (page 4) : "Objects all the way down" Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ? -- All the best Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7 https://sites.google.com/view/les-logiciels-libres/pharo https://sites.google.com/view/renepaulmages/propriete-intellectuelle https://twitter.com/RenePaulMages
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Inria
Tue, Aug 20, 2024 8:02 AM

« All the way down » is an English expression that in this case means: at every stage of a situation or activity

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/all-the-way-down-the-line

Le 20 août 2024 à 09:15, Rene Paul Mages (ramix) pharo@rmages.com a écrit :

Dear Pharo community,

At the beginning of this 2012-document  :

https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document

we can read the following sentence (page 4) :

   "Objects all the way down"

Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ?

--
All the best
Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7
https://sites.google.com/view/les-logiciels-libres/pharo
https://sites.google.com/view/renepaulmages/propriete-intellectuelle
https://twitter.com/RenePaulMages

« All the way down » is an English expression that in this case means: at every stage of a situation or activity https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/all-the-way-down-the-line > Le 20 août 2024 à 09:15, Rene Paul Mages (ramix) <pharo@rmages.com> a écrit : > > Dear Pharo community, > > At the beginning of this 2012-document : > > https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document > > we can read the following sentence (page 4) : > > "Objects all the way down" > > Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ? > > -- > All the best > Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7 > https://sites.google.com/view/les-logiciels-libres/pharo > https://sites.google.com/view/renepaulmages/propriete-intellectuelle > https://twitter.com/RenePaulMages
NB
Noury Bouraqadi
Tue, Aug 20, 2024 1:00 PM

Salut René,

It's inspired by the mythology of a world hold by infinite towers of turtles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

Noury
On Aug 20 2024, at 10:02 am, Inria sebastian.jordan@inria.fr wrote:

« All the way down » is an English expression that in this case means: at every stage of a situation or activity

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/all-the-way-down-the-line

Le 20 août 2024 à 09:15, Rene Paul Mages (ramix) pharo@rmages.com a écrit :

Dear Pharo community,

At the beginning of this 2012-document :

https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document

we can read the following sentence (page 4) :

"Objects all the way down"

Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ?

--
All the best
Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7
https://sites.google.com/view/les-logiciels-libres/pharo
https://sites.google.com/view/renepaulmages/propriete-intellectuelle
https://twitter.com/RenePaulMages

Salut René, It's inspired by the mythology of a world hold by infinite towers of turtles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down Noury On Aug 20 2024, at 10:02 am, Inria <sebastian.jordan@inria.fr> wrote: > « All the way down » is an English expression that in this case means: at every stage of a situation or activity > > https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/all-the-way-down-the-line > > > Le 20 août 2024 à 09:15, Rene Paul Mages (ramix) <pharo@rmages.com> a écrit : > > > > Dear Pharo community, > > > > At the beginning of this 2012-document : > > > > https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document > > > > we can read the following sentence (page 4) : > > > > "Objects all the way down" > > > > Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ? > > > > -- > > All the best > > Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7 > > https://sites.google.com/view/les-logiciels-libres/pharo > > https://sites.google.com/view/renepaulmages/propriete-intellectuelle > > https://twitter.com/RenePaulMages >
JF
James Foster
Tue, Aug 20, 2024 1:58 PM

I think of this as a reference to the phrase “Turtles all the way down.” This is an allusion to the idea that the world is a dome-shaped turtle that stands on another turtle that stands on another turtle. How far? “Why, it is turtles all the way down.” In this theory, “down” is not toward the center of a sphere, but has an absolute direction and implies invinite recursion. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down.

The idea is that Smalltalk is pure objects, made up of objects, made up of objects. How far? “Objects, all the way down.” Here “down” implies infinite recursion.

James Foster

On Aug 20, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Rene Paul Mages (ramix) pharo@rmages.com wrote:

Dear Pharo community,

At the beginning of this 2012-document  :

https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document

we can read the following sentence (page 4) :

   "Objects all the way down"

Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ?

--
All the best
Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7
https://sites.google.com/view/les-logiciels-libres/pharo
https://sites.google.com/view/renepaulmages/propriete-intellectuelle
https://twitter.com/RenePaulMages

I think of this as a reference to the phrase “Turtles all the way down.” This is an allusion to the idea that the world is a dome-shaped turtle that stands on another turtle that stands on another turtle. How far? “Why, it is turtles all the way down.” In this theory, “down” is not toward the center of a sphere, but has an absolute direction and implies invinite recursion. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down. The idea is that Smalltalk is pure objects, made up of objects, made up of objects. How far? “Objects, all the way down.” Here “down” implies infinite recursion. James Foster > On Aug 20, 2024, at 12:15 AM, Rene Paul Mages (ramix) <pharo@rmages.com> wrote: > > Dear Pharo community, > > At the beginning of this 2012-document : > > https://inria.hal.science/hal-01879346/document > > we can read the following sentence (page 4) : > > "Objects all the way down" > > Please what is the meaning (in this context) of the adjective "down" ? > > -- > All the best > Rene Paul Mages (ramix) GnuPG key : 0x9840A6F7 > https://sites.google.com/view/les-logiciels-libres/pharo > https://sites.google.com/view/renepaulmages/propriete-intellectuelle > https://twitter.com/RenePaulMages