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New VM, how do I get it

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David@totallyobjects.com
Sun, May 23, 2021 9:54 AM

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.

You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.

The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse

http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org

03 59 35 87 52

Assistant: Aurore Dalle

FAX 03 59 57 78 50

TEL 03 59 35 86 16

S. Ducasse - Inria

40, avenue Halley,

Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza

Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650

France

SD
Stéphane Ducasse
Mon, May 24, 2021 11:15 AM

is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. S. > On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote: > > Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? > > Sent from my Huawei tablet > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it > From: Stéphane Ducasse > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > CC: > > > David > > There is no magic. > You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. > The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. > > S. > >> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >> >> <pharo.png> > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
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Guillermo Polito
Mon, May 24, 2021 11:18 AM

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support
that yet.

El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr
escribió:

is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm?
How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can
also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where
you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington david@totallyobjects.com
wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió: > is your machine a M1? > If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. > > S. > > On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote: > > Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? > How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? > > Sent from my Huawei tablet > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it > From: Stéphane Ducasse > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > CC: > > > David > > There is no magic. > You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can > also read it and learn. > The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where > you put it. > > S. > > On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> > wrote: > > <pharo.png> > > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > >
DP
David Pennington
Mon, May 24, 2021 1:06 PM

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.

I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.

Version 8.0

Version 9.0

So V 9 is different from V 8.0

Is there a fix for this?

David

On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito guillermopolito@gmail.com wrote:

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.

El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:
is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com mailto:David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. Version 8.0 Version 9.0 So V 9 is different from V 8.0 Is there a fix for this? David > On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote: > > Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. > > El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: > is your machine a M1? > If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. > > S. > >> On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? >> >> Sent from my Huawei tablet >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it >> From: Stéphane Ducasse >> To: Any question about pharo is welcome >> CC: >> >> >> David >> >> There is no magic. >> You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. >> The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. >> >> S. >> >>> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >>> >>> <pharo.png> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France >
SD
Stéphane Ducasse
Mon, May 24, 2021 3:38 PM

On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington david@totallyobjects.com wrote:

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.

good to know.
Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed.
Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.

I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.

I do not get what is the error.
Do you have a script to reproduce it.
We can only fix what we can reproduce.

S.

Version 8.0
<v8.0.png>

Version 9.0

<v9.0.png>

So V 9 is different from V 8.0

Is there a fix for this?

David

On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.

El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:
is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com mailto:David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

> On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. good to know. Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too. > I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. I do not get what is the error. Do you have a script to reproduce it. We can only fix what we can reproduce. S. > > Version 8.0 > <v8.0.png> > > > Version 9.0 > > <v9.0.png> > > So V 9 is different from V 8.0 > > Is there a fix for this? > > David > >> On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. >> >> El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: >> is your machine a M1? >> If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. >> >> S. >> >>> On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? >>> >>> Sent from my Huawei tablet >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it >>> From: Stéphane Ducasse >>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome >>> CC: >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> There is no magic. >>> You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. >>> The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. >>> >>> S. >>> >>>> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> <pharo.png> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> Stéphane Ducasse >>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>> 40, avenue Halley, >>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>> France >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> > -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France
DP
David Pennington
Mon, May 24, 2021 4:39 PM

Sorry yes, I gave you the screen shots without the code.

In V 9.0 if I execute the following

| working stream |
working := FileSystem disk workingDirectory

I get an Inspector on /Users/davidpennington. (Not a File~Reference)

In V 8.0 I get an Inspector on a FileReference (/Users/davidpennington/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (stable)).

As my database relies on disk paths, this is going to create a difference between the two versions which surely should not be so.

On 24 May 2021, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote:

On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.

good to know.
Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed.
Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.

I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.

I do not get what is the error.
Do you have a script to reproduce it.
We can only fix what we can reproduce.

S.

Version 8.0
<v8.0.png>

Version 9.0

<v9.0.png>

So V 9 is different from V 8.0

Is there a fix for this?

David

On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.

El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:
is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com mailto:David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

Sorry yes, I gave you the screen shots without the code. In V 9.0 if I execute the following | working stream | working := FileSystem disk workingDirectory I get an Inspector on /Users/davidpennington. (Not a File~Reference) In V 8.0 I get an Inspector on a FileReference (/Users/davidpennington/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (stable)). As my database relies on disk paths, this is going to create a difference between the two versions which surely should not be so. > On 24 May 2021, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: > > > >> On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >> >> OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. > > good to know. > Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. > Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too. > >> I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. > > I do not get what is the error. > Do you have a script to reproduce it. > We can only fix what we can reproduce. > > S. > >> >> Version 8.0 >> <v8.0.png> >> >> >> Version 9.0 >> >> <v9.0.png> >> >> So V 9 is different from V 8.0 >> >> Is there a fix for this? >> >> David >> >>> On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. >>> >>> El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: >>> is your machine a M1? >>> If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. >>> >>> S. >>> >>>> On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? >>>> >>>> Sent from my Huawei tablet >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it >>>> From: Stéphane Ducasse >>>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome >>>> CC: >>>> >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> There is no magic. >>>> You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. >>>> The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <pharo.png> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Stéphane Ducasse >>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>> France >>>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> Stéphane Ducasse >>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>> 40, avenue Halley, >>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>> France >>> >> > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France
SV
Sven Van Caekenberghe
Mon, May 24, 2021 5:54 PM

Look carefully, they are both FileReferences, the UI is different.

Also, explore the difference between the working directory and the image directory:

FileLocator workingDirectory absolutePath.

FileLocator imageDirectory absolutePath.

The working directory depends on how the image was launched. Check out FileLocator for other well-known locations.

On 24 May 2021, at 18:39, David Pennington david@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Sorry yes, I gave you the screen shots without the code.

In V 9.0 if I execute the following

| working stream |
working := FileSystem disk workingDirectory

I get an Inspector on /Users/davidpennington. (Not a File~Reference)

In V 8.0 I get an Inspector on a FileReference (/Users/davidpennington/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (stable)).

As my database relies on disk paths, this is going to create a difference between the two versions which surely should not be so.

On 24 May 2021, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr wrote:

On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington david@totallyobjects.com wrote:

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.

good to know.
Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed.
Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.

I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.

I do not get what is the error.
Do you have a script to reproduce it.
We can only fix what we can reproduce.

S.

Version 8.0
<v8.0.png>

Version 9.0

<v9.0.png>

So V 9 is different from V 8.0

Is there a fix for this?

David

On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito guillermopolito@gmail.com wrote:

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.

El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:
is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington david@totallyobjects.com wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

Look carefully, they are both FileReferences, the UI is different. Also, explore the difference between the working directory and the image directory: FileLocator workingDirectory absolutePath. FileLocator imageDirectory absolutePath. The working directory depends on how the image was launched. Check out FileLocator for other well-known locations. > On 24 May 2021, at 18:39, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > Sorry yes, I gave you the screen shots without the code. > > In V 9.0 if I execute the following > > | working stream | > working := FileSystem disk workingDirectory > > I get an Inspector on /Users/davidpennington. (Not a File~Reference) > > In V 8.0 I get an Inspector on a FileReference (/Users/davidpennington/Documents/Pharo/images/Pharo 8.0 - 64bit (stable)). > > As my database relies on disk paths, this is going to create a difference between the two versions which surely should not be so. > > >> On 24 May 2021, at 16:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>> >>> OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. >> >> good to know. >> Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. >> Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too. >> >>> I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. >> >> I do not get what is the error. >> Do you have a script to reproduce it. >> We can only fix what we can reproduce. >> >> S. >> >>> >>> Version 8.0 >>> <v8.0.png> >>> >>> >>> Version 9.0 >>> >>> <v9.0.png> >>> >>> So V 9 is different from V 8.0 >>> >>> Is there a fix for this? >>> >>> David >>> >>>> On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. >>>> >>>> El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió: >>>> is your machine a M1? >>>> If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>>> On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Huawei tablet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it >>>>> From: Stéphane Ducasse >>>>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome >>>>> CC: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> There is no magic. >>>>> You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. >>>>> The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. >>>>> >>>>> S. >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> <pharo.png> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> Stéphane Ducasse >>>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >>>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>>> France >>>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Stéphane Ducasse >>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>> France >>>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >
GP
Guillermo Polito
Mon, May 24, 2021 8:31 PM

El 24 may 2021, a las 17:38, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse@inria.fr escribió:

On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.

good to know.
Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed.
Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.

I think the speed difference comes from the different VM.
P9 runs natively on M1.
P8 does not run yet natively on the M1, meaning it runs on top of rosetta (which virtualises x86 at the expense of some performance degradation).

I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.

I do not get what is the error.
Do you have a script to reproduce it.
We can only fix what we can reproduce.

Take into account that the UI on P9 has been through a huge effort to use Spec2 and a new iteration of the original moldable GT tools on top of Spec2.
That may explain the UI differences too.

S.

Version 8.0
<v8.0.png>

Version 9.0

<v9.0.png>

So V 9 is different from V 8.0

Is there a fix for this?

David

On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.

El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:
is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com mailto:David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

> El 24 may 2021, a las 17:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió: > > > >> On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >> >> OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. > > good to know. > Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. > Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too. I think the speed difference comes from the different VM. P9 runs natively on M1. P8 does not run yet natively on the M1, meaning it runs on top of rosetta (which virtualises x86 at the expense of some performance degradation). > >> I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. > > I do not get what is the error. > Do you have a script to reproduce it. > We can only fix what we can reproduce. Take into account that the UI on P9 has been through a huge effort to use Spec2 and a new iteration of the original moldable GT tools on top of Spec2. That may explain the UI differences too. > > S. > >> >> Version 8.0 >> <v8.0.png> >> >> >> Version 9.0 >> >> <v9.0.png> >> >> So V 9 is different from V 8.0 >> >> Is there a fix for this? >> >> David >> >>> On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. >>> >>> El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: >>> is your machine a M1? >>> If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. >>> >>> S. >>> >>>> On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? >>>> >>>> Sent from my Huawei tablet >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it >>>> From: Stéphane Ducasse >>>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome >>>> CC: >>>> >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> There is no magic. >>>> You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. >>>> The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>>> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <pharo.png> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Stéphane Ducasse >>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>> France >>>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> Stéphane Ducasse >>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>> 40, avenue Halley, >>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>> France >>> >> > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France
SD
Stéphane Ducasse
Tue, May 25, 2021 6:19 PM

On 24 May 2021, at 22:31, Guillermo Polito guillermopolito@gmail.com wrote:

El 24 may 2021, a las 17:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:

On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous.

good to know.
Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed.
Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too.

I think the speed difference comes from the different VM.
P9 runs natively on M1.
P8 does not run yet natively on the M1, meaning it runs on top of rosetta (which virtualises x86 at the expense of some performance degradation).

ah yes of course.
I did not realize both where running on the same machine.

I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference.

I do not get what is the error.
Do you have a script to reproduce it.
We can only fix what we can reproduce.

Take into account that the UI on P9 has been through a huge effort to use Spec2 and a new iteration of the original moldable GT tools on top of Spec2.
That may explain the UI differences too.

S.

Version 8.0
<v8.0.png>

Version 9.0

<v9.0.png>

So V 9 is different from V 8.0

Is there a fix for this?

David

On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote:

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet.

El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> escribió:
is your machine a M1?
If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM.

S.

On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com mailto:David@totallyobjects.com wrote:

Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher?

Sent from my Huawei tablet

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it
From: Stéphane Ducasse
To: Any question about pharo is welcome
CC:

David

There is no magic.
You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn.
The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it.

S.

On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com mailto:david@totallyobjects.com> wrote:

<pharo.png>


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/ / http://www.pharo.org http://www.pharo.org/
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France


Stéphane Ducasse
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org
03 59 35 87 52
Assistant: Aurore Dalle
FAX 03 59 57 78 50
TEL 03 59 35 86 16
S. Ducasse - Inria
40, avenue Halley,
Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza
Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650
France

> On 24 May 2021, at 22:31, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> El 24 may 2021, a las 17:38, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: >> >> >> >>> On 24 May 2021, at 15:06, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >>> >>> OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. >> >> good to know. >> Now we prefer to work with the slow version (old OS) because they kick us to pay attention to speed. >> Pharo 90 got many speed up improvements too. > > I think the speed difference comes from the different VM. > P9 runs natively on M1. > P8 does not run yet natively on the M1, meaning it runs on top of rosetta (which virtualises x86 at the expense of some performance degradation). ah yes of course. I did not realize both where running on the same machine. > >> >>> I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. >> >> I do not get what is the error. >> Do you have a script to reproduce it. >> We can only fix what we can reproduce. > > Take into account that the UI on P9 has been through a huge effort to use Spec2 and a new iteration of the original moldable GT tools on top of Spec2. > That may explain the UI differences too. > >> >> S. >> >>> >>> Version 8.0 >>> <v8.0.png> >>> >>> >>> Version 9.0 >>> >>> <v9.0.png> >>> >>> So V 9 is different from V 8.0 >>> >>> Is there a fix for this? >>> >>> David >>> >>>> On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito@gmail.com <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. >>>> >>>> El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribió: >>>> is your machine a M1? >>>> If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. >>>> >>>> S. >>>> >>>>> On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David@totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Huawei tablet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it >>>>> From: Stéphane Ducasse >>>>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome >>>>> CC: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> There is no magic. >>>>> You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. >>>>> The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. >>>>> >>>>> S. >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david@totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> <pharo.png> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>>> Stéphane Ducasse >>>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>>> France >>>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------- >>>> Stéphane Ducasse >>>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >>>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>>> 40, avenue Halley, >>>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >>>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>>> France >>>> >>> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France > -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France