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Kasper Osterbye
Thu, Feb 13, 2025 12:06 PM

Yes. The proposed book does not specify which Roassal3 is being used.

We seem to be in agreement that chatgpt is not perfect. Does that prove it is useless - not to me. Does I think it is without errors - no.

But the Roassal3 seems to be only in GitHub.

Best, Kasper

Yes. The proposed book does not specify which Roassal3 is being used. We seem to be in agreement that chatgpt is not perfect. Does that prove it is useless - not to me. Does I think it is without errors - no. But the Roassal3 seems to be only in GitHub. Best, Kasper
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Richard O'Keefe
Thu, Feb 13, 2025 9:29 PM

In Pharo12, Library|Roassal|Help takes you to a page which says that
http://agilevisualization.com is an "Agile Visualization" book which
describes Roassal2 and is therefore obsolete.
The material I've seen about the book "Agile Visualization in Pharo
..." does not say whether it describes Roassal2 or Roassal3.
I took the warning in the documentation site to mean that it is a book
about Roassal2.
I could well be mistaken about this, because I didn't want to buy the
book if it was out of date.
If it is current, then the documentation site needs fixing.
The Roassal that you get with Library|Roassal|Load is definitely Roassal3.

I don't believe i said anything even remotely close to "ChatGPT is
completely useless".  Let me be clear: it is amazing and very useful
but it is often wrong.  Often enough that I would never trust an
answer from it without checking another way.  I should NOT have said
"completely wrong" in this case, because on reflection, I don't know
that.  Perhaps all that's needed is for the Roassal3 documentation to
point to the current book (if it is current) and say "this is the book
to get".

Pharo changes pharst, so even a book published in 2021 could now be
out of date.  So let me rephrase my question.

Does the book "Agile Visualization with Pharo" describe Roassal2 or Roassal3?
If it describes Roassal3, how much has changed since it came out?
Is there any other book about Roassal3?

On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 at 01:07, Kasper Osterbye kasper.osterbye@gmail.com wrote:

Yes. The proposed book does not specify which Roassal3 is being used.

We seem to be in agreement that chatgpt is not perfect. Does that prove it is useless - not to me. Does I think it is without errors - no.

But the Roassal3 seems to be only in GitHub.

Best, Kasper

In Pharo12, Library|Roassal|Help takes you to a page which says that http://agilevisualization.com is an "Agile Visualization" book which describes Roassal2 and is therefore obsolete. The material I've seen about the book "Agile Visualization in Pharo ..." does not say whether it describes Roassal2 or Roassal3. I took the warning in the documentation site to mean that it is a book about Roassal2. I could well be mistaken about this, because I didn't want to buy the book if it was out of date. If it *is* current, then the documentation site needs fixing. The Roassal that you get with Library|Roassal|Load is definitely Roassal3. I don't believe i said anything even remotely close to "ChatGPT is completely useless". Let me be clear: it is amazing and very useful but it is often wrong. Often enough that I would never trust an answer from it without checking another way. I should NOT have said "completely wrong" in this case, because on reflection, I don't know that. Perhaps all that's needed is for the Roassal3 documentation to point to the current book (if it is current) and say "this is the book to get". Pharo changes pharst, so even a book published in 2021 could now be out of date. So let me rephrase my question. Does the book "Agile Visualization with Pharo" describe Roassal2 or Roassal3? If it describes Roassal3, how much has changed since it came out? Is there any other book about Roassal3? On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 at 01:07, Kasper Osterbye <kasper.osterbye@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes. The proposed book does not specify which Roassal3 is being used. > > We seem to be in agreement that chatgpt is not perfect. Does that prove it is useless - not to me. Does I think it is without errors - no. > > But the Roassal3 seems to be only in GitHub. > > Best, Kasper