My sheep project - Ovina2 - is now public for other to be scared about. I am on my way out the door, so databases will have to wait until monday when I am back from kayaking. This is the link: https://github.com/kasperosterbye/ovina2 The two main presenters are OvinaHistoryPresenter and OvinaAllSheepsPresenter, I expect they end up living in a single app window in the end. In my view it is about 80% done. Best, Kasper >

Hi Russ, Do not scarry of the WorldMenu item. Any tool can appear in the WorldMenu if it has a class side method `menuCommandOn:`. Just load the code with the script that appears in the README. Look at the classes in the packages and you will see that a lot of them are children of SpPresenter. I do not know if my tools is a complete example of all Spec framework. But at least it has all the basics covered. Let me know if you have any question 🙂 We can talk on Discord too. Sebastian ________________________________ From: Russ Whaley <whaley.russ@gmail.com> Sent: 12 May 2021 12:52 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: Looking for more non-trivial example application based on Spec2 to learn from... Mark & Sebastian, Sebastian, the link you provided is to a RewriteToolsSet... I don't understand how this provides insights into a Spec2 solution? - but admittedly I didn't dig too deep - I saw WorldMenu items and went 'woah-stop!', lol. I'm hoping there was another link Mark referenced that perhaps didn't come through my email chain :) I REALLY want to learn how others use Spec2 in an integrated way (interconnected presenters, model refreshes, etc.). I've written 6 apps in Pharo (all with Spec2 GUI) and I still don't feel as if I'm doing things correctly. I can 'get things to work' and I'm pretty pleased with them in general, but I usually run up against the same 'refresh' issues, especially around notebooks. Esteban is a wealth of information and has been very helpful for my basic understanding - but I can envision him shaking his head at my feeble attempts and questions (just kidding Esteban!). I am VERY interested to review Spec2 code others are successfully using, so I can hopefully get past whatever brainblock I have in my Spec2 designs. ... and I would very much like to be involved in a Spec2 workshop/session/whatever! Happy Pharo-ing! Russ (whalehead on discord) On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:32 AM <mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com<mailto:mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Tim Thanks for the suggestion - I’m aware of the alternative of using a web application architecture using something like Seaside (and now CodeParadise too - thanks). But I’m more interested at the moment in getting on top of a more traditional application for these personal apps I want to build for my desktop PC. My needs may change of course - and I’m sure will look at doing some web apps in the future... More importantly - YES - it is great to be back in a ST environment again , and of course it is still so very very addictive !! [ Before resuming I spent some time familiarising myself with the mainstream tools the industry seems to have adopted in the last 10-20 years. I must say I was quite surprised and even disappointed about the complexity, verbosity and incomprehensible syntax of some, and the sloppiness (or is it flexibility?) of others. I really was not keen to have to pick up one of those again. I had somehow hoped or expected that language and environment design would have been much slicker and more fully evolved by now…] Cheers Tim, and thanks for the suggestion… Mark -- Russ Whaley whaley.russ@gmail.com<mailto:whaley.russ@gmail.com>

Great, Sebastian, thanks. I’ll take a (braver) look into the code soon. I’ll touch base on discord :) On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 10:39 AM Sebastian Jordan <sebastianjmt@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Russ, > Do not scarry of the WorldMenu item. Any tool can appear in the WorldMenu > if it has a class side method `menuCommandOn:`. Just load the code with > the script that appears in the README. Look at the classes in the packages > and you will see that a lot of them are children of SpPresenter. I do not > know if my tools is a complete example of all Spec framework. But at least > it has all the basics covered. > Let me know if you have any question 🙂 We can talk on Discord too. > > Sebastian > ------------------------------ > *From:* Russ Whaley <whaley.russ@gmail.com> > *Sent:* 12 May 2021 12:52 > *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > > *Subject:* [Pharo-users] Re: Looking for more non-trivial example > application based on Spec2 to learn from... > > Mark & Sebastian, > Sebastian, the link you provided is to a RewriteToolsSet... I don't > understand how this provides insights into a Spec2 solution? - but > admittedly I didn't dig too deep - I saw WorldMenu items and went > 'woah-stop!', lol. I'm hoping there was another link Mark referenced that > perhaps didn't come through my email chain :) > > I REALLY want to learn how others use Spec2 in an integrated way > (interconnected presenters, model refreshes, etc.). I've written 6 apps in > Pharo (all with Spec2 GUI) and I still don't feel as if I'm doing things > correctly. I can 'get things to work' and I'm pretty pleased with them in > general, but I usually run up against the same 'refresh' issues, especially > around notebooks. > > Esteban is a wealth of information and has been very helpful for my basic > understanding - but I can envision him shaking his head at my feeble > attempts and questions (just kidding Esteban!). > > I am VERY interested to review Spec2 code others are successfully using, > so I can hopefully get past whatever brainblock I have in my Spec2 designs. > > ... and I would very much like to be involved in a Spec2 > workshop/session/whatever! > > Happy Pharo-ing! > Russ (whalehead on discord) > > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 5:32 AM <mark.odonoghue.2010@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Tim > > Thanks for the suggestion - I’m aware of the alternative of using a web > application architecture using something like Seaside (and now CodeParadise > too - thanks). > > But I’m more interested at the moment in getting on top of a more > traditional application for these personal apps I want to build for my > desktop PC. > > My needs may change of course - and I’m sure will look at doing some web > apps in the future... > > More importantly - YES - it is great to be back in a ST environment again > , and of course it is still so very very addictive !! > > [ Before resuming I spent some time familiarising myself with the > mainstream tools the industry seems to have adopted in the last 10-20 > years. I must say I was quite surprised and even disappointed about the > complexity, verbosity and incomprehensible syntax of some, and the > sloppiness (or is it flexibility?) of others. I really was not keen to have > to pick up one of those again. I had somehow hoped or expected that > language and environment design would have been much slicker and more fully > evolved by now…] > > Cheers Tim, and thanks for the suggestion… > > Mark > > > > -- > Russ Whaley > whaley.russ@gmail.com > -- Russ Whaley whaley.russ@gmail.com