There have been some excellent suggestions in all of this - and I also came across HttpView2 as well. I am a bit spoiled for choice it seems - so will start trying out a few and will report back. We may also use this topic as a follow-on conversation from the UKST talk from Cincom about building web applications, if people have time afterwards. Thanks again everyone. Tim On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, at 1:03 PM, Esteban Maringolo wrote: > Hi Jan, > > Nice work, the "Eleven" framework goes in the direction of what I was experimenting with for Seaside, but instead of trying to introduce that in Seaside without breaking everything else (as I failed to some extent) you went directly to replace and redo most of the stuff there (some with simplifications). > > It's nice to see that you have ideas like OneTimeCallback and a FormHandler in it, because I had something similar going on. > I didn't understand why you have a CSRF list of tokens in the Session. > > Thinking of Seaside, I think this would be something nice to introduce in Seaside 4.0 :-) > > Regards! > > > El mar., 29 de septiembre de 2020 05:38, Jan Blizničenko <jan.bliznicenko@fit.cvut.cz> escribió: >> Hello, >> >> I am using https://github.com/JanBliznicenko/eleven for one of my projects. >> It is also a full framework, yet much simplier than Seaside and stateless >> and I believe only the HTML building functionality can be used indpendently. >> >> Example: >> htmlObject := HtmlBody >> with: >> (HtmlDiv >> class: 'content' >> with: >> (HtmlAnchor new >> href: 'https://pharo.org'; >> targetBlank; >> with: 'Pharo website'; >> yourself)). >> String streamContents: [:stream | htmlObject renderFor: nil on: stream] >> >> The nil I am passing in the last line is there in place of an ELRequest >> entity and is not needed for simple HTML tags without custom components. You >> might check it out. Be aware that my former colleague created it for our >> specific project and I have never used it in any other place, so I just HOPE >> it would work like I imagine. It is also not documented or tested at all. >> >> Best regards, >> Jan >> >> >> Tim Mackinnon wrote >> > Hi - has anyone ever managed to extract the html builder out of seaside - >> > or written something equivalent? >> > >> > I often find I want to build some HTML, but don’t want the full seaside - >> > and was wondering if anyone has managed to extract it, or have something >> > similar? >> > >> > This combined with Renoir from BA-ST would give a good little light weight >> > web potential to run with Zinc. >> > >> > Tim >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Hi Tim. My two cents: I am using XML Writer (from the catalog) and i am really happy so far. El lun., 28 sept. 2020 a las 19:28, Tim Mackinnon (<tim@testit.works>) escribió: > Hi - has anyone ever managed to extract the html builder out of seaside - > or written something equivalent? > > I often find I want to build some HTML, but don’t want the full seaside - > and was wondering if anyone has managed to extract it, or have something > similar? > > This combined with Renoir from BA-ST would give a good little light weight > web potential to run with Zinc. > > Tim

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 08:35:43PM +0200, Franz Josef Konrad wrote: > Some years ago I was looking for something for the same purpose and looked > at this library <http://smalltalkhub.com/PierceNg/WaterMint-HTML/index.html> Hi, I stopped working on that and just used what comes with Seaside. Seaside's HTML DSL works fine and has the nice add-on stuff like Torsten's Bootstrap 3 and 4. Only small road bump is form handling, where Seaside uses one or more dynamic variables. To keep it simple, for my non-Seaside apps, when rendering forms I use Zinc's HTML streaming instead. Mix and match. Pierce

if someone migrate it to github please let me know. S > On 28 Sep 2020, at 20:35, Franz Josef Konrad <franzl@fjkonrad.de> wrote: > > Am 28.09.2020 um 19:28 schrieb Tim Mackinnon: >> Hi - has anyone ever managed to extract the html builder out of seaside - or written something equivalent? >> I often find I want to build some HTML, but don’t want the full seaside - and was wondering if anyone has managed to extract it, or have something similar? >> This combined with Renoir from BA-ST would give a good little light weight web potential to run with Zinc. >> Tim > > Some years ago I was looking for something for the same purpose and looked at this library <http://smalltalkhub.com/PierceNg/WaterMint-HTML/index.html> <http://forum.world.st/Standalone-HTML-Model-td4967128.html> . I don't know if this helps. I also just loaded WaterMint and looked at the code. Other than that I had no experience. > > Franz Josef -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

Hi jan can you do a PR to add eleven to the awesome list? S > On 29 Sep 2020, at 10:37, Jan Blizničenko <jan.bliznicenko@fit.cvut.cz> wrote: > > Hello, > > I am using https://github.com/JanBliznicenko/eleven for one of my projects. > It is also a full framework, yet much simplier than Seaside and stateless > and I believe only the HTML building functionality can be used indpendently. > > Example: > htmlObject := HtmlBody > with: > (HtmlDiv > class: 'content' > with: > (HtmlAnchor new > href: 'https://pharo.org'; > targetBlank; > with: 'Pharo website'; > yourself)). > String streamContents: [:stream | htmlObject renderFor: nil on: stream] > > The nil I am passing in the last line is there in place of an ELRequest > entity and is not needed for simple HTML tags without custom components. You > might check it out. Be aware that my former colleague created it for our > specific project and I have never used it in any other place, so I just HOPE > it would work like I imagine. It is also not documented or tested at all. > > Best regards, > Jan > > > Tim Mackinnon wrote >> Hi - has anyone ever managed to extract the html builder out of seaside - >> or written something equivalent? >> >> I often find I want to build some HTML, but don’t want the full seaside - >> and was wondering if anyone has managed to extract it, or have something >> similar? >> >> This combined with Renoir from BA-ST would give a good little light weight >> web potential to run with Zinc. >> >> Tim > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html -------------------------------------------- Stéphane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

Jan Blizničenko wrote > ...HtmlDiv... Cool :) I've often felt a suspicion that the lack of logical HTML domain objects leaves a hole in the possibilities for declarative style / meta info ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html