[Pharo-users] Interesting Pharo Launcher feedback

H. Hirzel hannes.hirzel at gmail.com
Tue Jun 26 09:37:46 EDT 2018


On 6/26/18, Tim Mackinnon <tim at testit.works> wrote:
> As I mentioned - the user in question was quite complimentary, just confused
> on first launch.
>
> Equally we don’t want to impact power users, and ultimately we want to
> encourage everyone to try newer images to help with improvements.
>
> I honestly think that some slightly improved terminology and a bit of
> guidance to get your first image (eg picking the correct one) is all it
> takes.

+1
Maybe just a note on the download website which 'new project' (image)
beginners should go for....

--Hannes
>
> Once you’ve groked it - you are off. We just want that first experience to
> be pleasant.
>
> I personally like to see the list of images and understand how many builds
> have been made as it’s comforting to see the progress and be encouraged to
> join in.
>
> I as going to propose a simple change to the name on the lists like:
>
> “Templates” -> “Image Templates” or maybe even “Project Templates”
>
> “Images” -> “Downloaded Images” or maybe “Created Projects”
>
> (While we are familiar with the term image, maybe it’s an implementation
> detail - eclipse and IntelliJ create projects, and we aren’t so different)
>
> We could also as Cyril suggests, have a little welcome window with some text
> and a picture.
>
> Both really simple to do and probably enough to get people started. After
> all, our audience is reasonable technical so we shouldn’t need to dumb It
> down too much.
>
> I’m also conscious about here is a lot of Pharo 7 work to do as well.
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 26 Jun 2018, at 08:09, Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey at inria.fr>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>>> Le 26 juin 2018 à 03:00, Ben Coman <btc at openinworld.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> On 26 June 2018 at 06:17, Tim Mackinnon <tim at testit.works> wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone - at tonights month UK Smalltalk Meetup, we got some nice
>>>> compliments on the state of Pharo (the participants - all ex small
>>>> talkers - although ex in so much as they fondly remembered it and wanted
>>>> to use it for something relevant now because they enjoyed it in the
>>>> past).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, one interesting comment stuck out - he had downloaded Pharo
>>>> (having used Visual Age 15+ years ago) and was a bit overwhelmed with
>>>> what laugher presented to him. He didn’t hate it - but was initially a
>>>> bit lost as to what it all meant and how to start… he figured it out,
>>>> but I thought the feedback was interesting and made me think that maybe
>>>> we need some form of intro wizard to get people off to a quick start but
>>>> leave them confident enough that they might come back and try a Pharo 7
>>>> or Moose etc.
>>>>
>>>> I encouraged him to post something on here, but thoughtI would note it
>>>> (as it seems quite easy to fix) as an idea while it was fresh in my
>>>> mind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A welcome tutorial is a good idea.  And btw, the sort of idea that only
>>> comes from broader use of PharoLauncher.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>> We also got this feedback from students. We know we have to improve the UI
>> by simplifying it.
>> Our idea was to only provide a window with a toolbar and the list of
>> images as the main Pharo Launhcer window.
>> On this windows, clicking on the + button will open a « wizard » like the
>> one for creating repositories in Iceberg. There you could choose to create
>> an image from « featured images » or ci, etc.
>>
>> It would lower a lot the cognitive charge of the current window.
>> We just need time to implement it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Christophe
>>
>>
>



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