[Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

Tim Mackinnon tim at testit.works
Mon Jun 18 15:33:28 EDT 2018


Guys - let’s STOP this and focus on getting the download page changed. A knife fight within our midst is not going to help us make things better.

I’m sure Steph would prefer actions to fix code over in-fighting. The best way to make amends would be a nice code fix for the community.

Tim

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> On 18 Jun 2018, at 19:39, Travis Ayres <trayres at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What does not talking like an asshole have to do with being white and male?
> 
> ...seriously?
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:31 AM Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <offray.luna at mutabit.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18/06/18 09:47, Herbert Vojčík wrote:
>>>>> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert to working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm. 
>>>> 
>>>> First, it was MY decision. 
>>> 
>>> My apologies to blaming Steph. 
>>> 
>>>> I’m pushing launcher as the default download for Pharo since year now. 
>>>> Do I am happy with it not working on windows right now? Of course not. But pushing it also in windows has already forced us to fix some bugs there and a new version of the launcher (and a better Pharo on windows) and at the result will be good. 
>>>> I was going to suspend the launcher as the default download until a better version arrived, but I’ve been told that will happen this week, so I will wait. 
>>>> 
>>>> Second, we have a lot of bottlenecks, but is true this is important. 
>>>> 
>>>> Third, please restrain your self to talk like that in the future. Is rude and unnecessary. 
>>> 
>>> I won't. Sometimes it seems this kind of talk is needed. Windows launcher was not working for so long but it is still pushed as the default download option, because "higher goals" I presume. If this kind of talk helps to get rid of it until working (or make it finally actually work), it is anything but unnecessary. 
>> 
>> I don't see how this "Macho Programmer Culture" mixing genitalia size with community behavior and admin choices is necessary. But I see why, for sure, non-(white)-males feel so unwelcome in developers communities when some members feels such "necessity" of addressing others with such language and when pointed to that, just reinforce their choices.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Offray
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