[Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

Travis Ayres trayres at gmail.com
Mon Jun 18 14:19:02 EDT 2018


"And don’t tell me you count the windows developers that are driven away
from a user program like PharoLauncher that is not working properly."

Why not?

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 11:05 AM Norbert Hartl <norbert at hartl.name> wrote:

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> Am 18.06.2018 um 19:19 schrieb horrido <horrido.hobbies at gmail.com>:
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> Developers are users, and many users are developers.
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> Ah, I’m not sure what value this sentence adds. The point is that the
> market share you were referring to is users that are not developers.
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> What kind of developers are you counting? Microsoft/Windows/.NET developers
> represent a huge number, especially in the enterprise market. If these
> developers are going to explore alternative tools like Java, Ruby, Pharo,
> Common Lisp, etc., they'll be doing it in Windows.
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> Developers under macOS are mostly focussed on macOS, iOS, Objective-C, and
> Swift. They are no more predisposed to looking at Pharo than developers
> under Windows. Is this not perfectly logical?
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> Ok, let’s try to other way round. If there are many developers in windows
> why is the pharo stuff for windows so badly supported? It does indeed mean
> that either there aren’t many or they lack the expertise (or are too lazy)
> to improve stuff in pharo. And don’t tell me you count the windows
> developers that are driven away from a user program like PharoLauncher that
> is not working properly.
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> Norbert
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> NorbertHartl wrote
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> Am 18.06.2018 um 16:16 schrieb horrido <
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> horrido.hobbies@
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> Lack of enough Windows users? What platform are most Pharoers using?
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> I'm using macOS, but this platform has only about 12% market share. Linux
> has about 2%.
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> Your mixing users and developers. I don’t have numbers but I’m pretty sure
> if you count developers windows does not have that big of a market share.
> For squeak/pharo especially I guess Mac was always the preferred platform.
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> Norbert
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> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
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> On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík <
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> herby@
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> horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04:
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> This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds
> (undocumented or hard to find).
> I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care
> that
> newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care
> about
> Pharo's reputation.
> The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye.
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> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong
> decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert
> to
> working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm.
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> The problem is the lack of enough Windows users and especially
> developers
> who can fix Windows problems.
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