[Pharo-users] Windows installation broken?

Norbert Hartl norbert at hartl.name
Mon Jun 18 14:04:50 EDT 2018



> Am 18.06.2018 um 19:19 schrieb horrido <horrido.hobbies at gmail.com>:
> 
> Developers are users, and many users are developers.
> 
Ah, I’m not sure what value this sentence adds. The point is that the market share you were referring to is users that are not developers.

> What kind of developers are you counting? Microsoft/Windows/.NET developers
> represent a huge number, especially in the enterprise market. If these
> developers are going to explore alternative tools like Java, Ruby, Pharo,
> Common Lisp, etc., they'll be doing it in Windows.
> 
> Developers under macOS are mostly focussed on macOS, iOS, Objective-C, and
> Swift. They are no more predisposed to looking at Pharo than developers
> under Windows. Is this not perfectly logical?
> 
Ok, let’s try to other way round. If there are many developers in windows why is the pharo stuff for windows so badly supported? It does indeed mean that either there aren’t many or they lack the expertise (or are too lazy) to improve stuff in pharo. And don’t tell me you count the windows developers that are driven away from a user program like PharoLauncher that is not working properly.

Norbert
> 
> NorbertHartl wrote
>>> Am 18.06.2018 um 16:16 schrieb horrido <
> 
>> horrido.hobbies@
> 
>> >:
>>> 
>>> Lack of enough Windows users? What platform are most Pharoers using?
>>> 
>>> I'm using macOS, but this platform has only about 12% market share. Linux
>>> has about 2%.
>>> 
>> Your mixing users and developers. I don’t have numbers but I’m pretty sure
>> if you count developers windows does not have that big of a market share.
>> For squeak/pharo especially I guess Mac was always the preferred platform. 
>> 
>> Norbert 
>>> 
>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote
>>>>> On 18 Jun 2018, at 15:39, Herbert Vojčík <
>>> 
>>>> herby@
>>> 
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> horrido wrote on 18. 6. 2018 0:04:
>>>>>> This is what concerns me. I don't care that there are workarounds
>>>>>> (undocumented or hard to find).
>>>>>> I care that Windows is a most popular development platform. I care
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> newcomers to Pharo easily find what they need to get started. I care
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> Pharo's reputation.
>>>>>> The last thing Pharo needs is a black eye.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have enough balls to call out Steph for his obviously wrong
>>>>> decision to push Launcher down the users' throats and make him revert
>>>>> to
>>>>> working installers / zips? Cause AFAICT there's the bottleneck atm.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is the lack of enough Windows users and especially
>>>> developers
>>>> who can fix Windows problems.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html
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