[Pharo-dev] Pharo renamed to "MuchTalk"

kilon alios kilon.alios at gmail.com
Wed Apr 30 18:05:19 EDT 2014


yeap definitely sounds a like a good idea to me :)


On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven at stfx.eu> wrote:

> We have that list too:
>
> Page 3 of
> http://www.pharo-project.org/download/pictures/be/j32hajf3kjdbsebqo0a9zc5tk8ekxt/pharovision.pdf
>
> Or this version:
>
>
> http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org/2012-May/004059.html
>
> Now that I see this list again, I feel that it should be part of the image.
>
> On 30 Apr 2014, at 23:33, kilon alios <kilon.alios at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Personally I am very interested to see how developers see Pharo, because
> the way they see it is also the future of Pharo the directions it is going.
> So while some may find these type of discussion derailing its very
> important for the direction of Pharo.
> >
> > Even though its very important to add code to Pharo and enhance and bug
> fix, its also very important to have a clear vision that the community
> agrees on.
> >
> > The discussion also has raised some important issues of how Pharo is
> promoted, obviously Promotion of Pharo is a rather huge deal for Pharo
> future. I see these Emails as the start of a very long process in the
> future of Pharo where the community tries to feel in the dark its path and
> the values it represents. Its also important to get the message (Pharo is
> all about messages afterall) loud and clear to newcomers or people
> considering giving Pharo a try.
> >
> > Sean I am definitely interested in the discussion and your opinion, I
> have very little to contribute to it, but its great to hear the opinion of
> people that have very large experience of Smalltalk.
> >
> > Some say "opinions are like assholes everyone has one" (no intention to
> be rude) but my belief is opinions however wrong they may be, do matter
> because they reveal personal needs , desires and dreams. Pharo like every
> other product out there is made to please people and accommodate for these
> things.
> >
> > Also these discussions are far from exclusive to Pharo. I am coming from
> Python there there is the Zen of Pharo.
> >
> > "
> >       • Beautiful is better than ugly.
> >       • Explicit is better than implicit.
> >       • Simple is better than complex.
> >       • Complex is better than complicated.
> >       • Flat is better than nested.
> >       • Sparse is better than dense.
> >       • Readability counts.
> >       • Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules.
> >               • Although practicality beats purity.
> >       • Errors should never pass silently.
> >               • Unless explicitly silenced.
> >       • In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
> >       • There should be one-- and preferably only one --obvious way to
> do it.
> >               • Although that way may not be obvious at first unless
> you're Dutch.
> >       • Now is better than never.
> >               • Although never is often better than right now.
> >       • If the implementation is hard to explain, it's a bad idea.
> >       • If the implementation is easy to explain, it may be a good idea.
> >       • NameSpaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!
> >
> >       • "
> > This started as a joke from a single guy. Then it was included as a
> module in python standard library , the moment you import the module it
> executes a method that prints this text. The joke became something very
> serious, it is something that many python library authors take as a guide
> for designing their libraries. This piece of joke has become so serious
> that currently python libraries uses this set of principles and libraries
> that don't are labeled by python coders as "unpythonic" which is considered
> a bad thing.
> >
> > For me this indicates that a community has chosen a path and most
> importantly a path they have chosen to walk together as one unit. I don't
> think there is anything stronger than that.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <
> sean at clipperadams.com> wrote:
> > onierstrasz wrote
> > > 117 emails since I checked a few hours ago?
> >
> > 110 of those were mine, sorry :-P
> > Signing off for today...
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Cheers,
> > Sean
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://forum.world.st/Pharo-renamed-to-MuchTalk-tp4757347p4757349.html
> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at
> Nabble.com.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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