[Pharo-dev] Smalltalk in a C World

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Mon Dec 9 15:07:14 EST 2013



> The main issue is that it is complicated to embed the VM in C code.
> That's due to how the VM is done.
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> Compared to TCL, where you can easily embed the interpreter in a C program, this is a problem. http://wiki.tcl.tk/3474
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> Where you can embed the interpreter in a C program, you can do whatever integration you want.
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> Now, with NativeBoost, we can call C. The next challenge would be to be able to call Pharo from C by embedding the interpreter.
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> I am curious to  see what you guys think about this.

It is one of my dream!
Now I'm too bad in C to make this dream comes true. Sadly. But I would love to have Pharo being able to 
be embedded in C.


> I would love to see things like mod_pharo (as there is mod_php, mod_perl, mod_tcl...) in Apache.
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> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:48 AM, kilon alios <kilon.alios at gmail.com> wrote:
> please note that generating dlls alone wont be enough , plugins are compiled against a runtime or specific libraries (a Plugin SDK) and Smalltalk MT would have to be able to do that in order to be a viable solution.   
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> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse at inria.fr> wrote:
> You should think that they use their smalltalk for their projects.
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> Stef
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> On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:21 AM, Clément Bera <bera.clement at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> How can people even know Smalltalk MT still exist with their website and their communication ?
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>> I looked at other Smalltalks a while ago, for Smalltalk MT I clicked on "what's new" on their website and I got that:
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>> <Screen Shot 2013-12-09 at 9.18.11 AM.png>
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>> Then I thought this Smalltalk was dead (nothing new in the past 4 years) and I didn't look any further.
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>> 2013/12/8 Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse at inria.fr>
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>> > Yes - still alive and kicking. But I'm sure you did not notice since there
>> > are no "big" announcements or advertising for it.
>> > ObjectConnect follows the "time is better invested into technology" strategy.
>> > It is one of the most interesting Smalltalks ever implemented.
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>> http://www.objectconnect.com/stmt_overview.htm
>> I like the idea that you can get 50kb applications.
>> Now since this is a closed system and windows-centric.
>> But I like that it shows that Smalltalk does not have to be the image centric way.
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>> >
>> > The newest ST/MT 6.3 version (now 64 bit) is from end of November 2013
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>> Now it is not a community thing. :)
>> And the web site stop and 5.6 in 2009.
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>> Last time I talk to tarrick he told me that he could control the "no gc in the next 250 frames on PS2"
>> but it was in 1998 :)
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>> Stef
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