[Pharo-project] Is Pharo a Smalltalk or Smalltalk inspired? (was I added a german wikipedia article on pharo)
phil at highoctane.be
phil at highoctane.be
Thu Jul 5 05:58:18 EDT 2012
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2012/7/5 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven at beta9.be>
> On 05 Jul 2012, at 11:44, Janko Mivšek wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > On 05. 07. 2012 11:07, Marcus Denker wrote:
> >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Helene Bilbo wrote:
> >>> And i ask,
> >>> because the first line on the Pharo homepage says it’s:
> >>> "Smalltalk-inspired“.
> >> The idea is that if Pharo is Smalltak, it will always be Smalltalk. We
> can not move
> >> on. If it is Smalltalk Inspired, we can take the *ideas* behind
> Smalltalk and seriously
> >> move forward.
> >> E.g. take the Slots. Smalltalk has no first class Slots, Pharo will. If
> Pharo would *be* Smalltalk
> >> it could not.
> > Why not rather move all Smalltalk forward instead? Good ideas from Pharo
> > should be communicated to other Smalltalks. And vice versa - good ideas
> > from other Smalltalks should be studied and put in Pharo. But Pharo
> > should stay Smalltalk, not 'Smalltalk inspired'.
> > Please, don't divide Smalltalk community but act as much as possible in
> > joint spirit! Which of course doesn't mean that moving forward is
> > necessary. And I also don't see why you cannot move forward and stay
> > Smalltalk? Certainly not from a Slots example.
> > If Pharo will try to distance from Smalltalk rather than contribute and
> > improve it, I'm sure many of us will rethink if Pharo is worth
> > supporting or not.
> But you have to read what Marcus said: Smalltalk could be and/or is
> defined by Smalltalk-80 and an ANSI spec. If we say that Pharo conforms to
> that, any of the very useful improvements being proposed will always be
> stopped in their tracks because the changes are not compatible with these
> old defacto standards. Pharo was started explicitely to avoid that.
> For most casual observers I think it will remain Smalltalk.
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