[Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

Stéphane Ducasse stephane.ducasse at inria.fr
Wed Jul 4 04:23:33 EDT 2012

On Jul 4, 2012, at 9:28 AM, phil at highoctane.be wrote:

> There must be a business behind all this to take care of the funding and the daily operations.
> Is the consortium going to be taking care of these aspects?

It is already as a fireman.

Esteban is payed by INRIA for helping to set up the consortium and he is losing time 
with such issues.

Indeed we should think about how to replicate information.
About smalltalkHub one deal was that INRIA will host it and replicate on three hosts.
Now since smalltalkHub was delayed for more than 8 months the people changed agenda.

We will check that again with nicolas and christophe because right now it is hosted at object fusion.
Now we were thinking that ESUG could help there because ESUG has also several servers to run and 
marcus does not have the time to deal with multiple and different servers. So one central one to manage
ESUG and SmalltalkHub would make sense but nothing was acted so far.


> Phil
> 2012/7/4 Torsten Bergmann <astares at gmx.de>
> Norbert wrote:
> >Ok, nothing to do here. Thank you, Captain Hindsight!
> While I enjoy your humor and politeness on one side I really
> doubt that there is nothing to do here.
> How often do we face the outage of SqS. And now a private
> server is yet again gone without an easy restore/access to
> the backup. It's nice that we can all check our caches to
> find the mcz's - but is this the backup strategy to go for
> the future?
> I provided the ConfigurationBrowser in Pharo to easily load
> Metacello packages directly from within the image and spend
> a lot of time checking appropriate configs for the various
> Pharo versions. On one side we invest in making it easier
> for people to load packages on the other side it often
> did not work due to this brickle hosting we currently have.
> Don't we need a serious discussion and actions on how
> to get a reliable infrastructure with official mirrors?
> By providing a prebuilt SqueakSource in the past [1] I hoped
> the SqS situation will get better when people may setup own
> servers and we have more and more mirrors on the net. It did
> not happen. We now know that SqS is the "old way".
> We currently face decisions what servers to use (SS3, SmalltalkHub, ...)
> see issue #6093 [2]
> Now we move to SS3 and SmalltalkHub. Can we answer the question
> how reliable they are?
> I like SmalltalkHub a lot. But still it is centralized and
> if it is down it is down for all. Dont we need answers to the
> question how independent our infrastructure will be in the future?
> If it is backuped, mirrored or restorable?
> Dale proposed mirroring for Metacello [3]. We also have filetree [4]
> for directory-based Monticello packages enabling the use of Git,
> SVN, ... allowing us to use more reliable infrastructure like GitHub, ...
> Should we care?
> But maybe I should shut up and wait until someone reboots
> Squeaksource again (which is down today yet again)
> Bye
> T.
> [1] http://astares.blogspot.de/2005/12/squeaksource-server-image.html
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6093
> [2] http://code.google.com/p/metacello/issues/detail?id=152
> [3] https://github.com/dalehenrich/filetree

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