[Pharo-project] renggli mirror created on smalltalkhub

phil at highoctane.be phil at highoctane.be
Wed Jul 4 03:28:58 EDT 2012

There must be a business behind all this to take care of the funding and
the daily operations.

Is the consortium going to be taking care of these aspects?


2012/7/4 Torsten Bergmann <astares at gmx.de>

> Norbert wrote:
> >Ok, nothing to do here. Thank you, Captain Hindsight!
> While I enjoy your humor and politeness on one side I really
> doubt that there is nothing to do here.
> How often do we face the outage of SqS. And now a private
> server is yet again gone without an easy restore/access to
> the backup. It's nice that we can all check our caches to
> find the mcz's - but is this the backup strategy to go for
> the future?
> I provided the ConfigurationBrowser in Pharo to easily load
> Metacello packages directly from within the image and spend
> a lot of time checking appropriate configs for the various
> Pharo versions. On one side we invest in making it easier
> for people to load packages on the other side it often
> did not work due to this brickle hosting we currently have.
> Don't we need a serious discussion and actions on how
> to get a reliable infrastructure with official mirrors?
> By providing a prebuilt SqueakSource in the past [1] I hoped
> the SqS situation will get better when people may setup own
> servers and we have more and more mirrors on the net. It did
> not happen. We now know that SqS is the "old way".
> We currently face decisions what servers to use (SS3, SmalltalkHub, ...)
> see issue #6093 [2]
> Now we move to SS3 and SmalltalkHub. Can we answer the question
> how reliable they are?
> I like SmalltalkHub a lot. But still it is centralized and
> if it is down it is down for all. Dont we need answers to the
> question how independent our infrastructure will be in the future?
> If it is backuped, mirrored or restorable?
> Dale proposed mirroring for Metacello [3]. We also have filetree [4]
> for directory-based Monticello packages enabling the use of Git,
> SVN, ... allowing us to use more reliable infrastructure like GitHub, ...
> Should we care?
> But maybe I should shut up and wait until someone reboots
> Squeaksource again (which is down today yet again)
> Bye
> T.
> [1] http://astares.blogspot.de/2005/12/squeaksource-server-image.html
> [1] http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6093
> [2] http://code.google.com/p/metacello/issues/detail?id=152
> [3] https://github.com/dalehenrich/filetree
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